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I'm in if it ever comes out...

You pictured my dream Very very nice, So T21, VJ72, Crown? Dial remains a DW?

too expensive, must find a better way, all I really need now are the dimension of that dial, and DW can make it. I will ask him if he can put his hands on a santos 100 TT eta that I'd buy for experimentations...

I did not discuss technical with DW but this is probably an excellent solution, where to get access to such a printer, a more where to get access to a gen dial?

Review of the box here: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=8260

So I announced about 5 weeks ago that I won a scatola del tempo 4+4 - I still don't know the retail price of such a watch but I believe it is about 700-1.000€, most people never will put that much money on a watch in their entire life, so this watch aims a market on it's own, with a particuliar size of watch too, more about that later So the one I received is well the 4+4 from the scatola del tempo website in black leather: I received it with the outer box, nice touch...and one more proof that this is a genuine box it is really an heavy box, mainly made of wood and covered with fine soft leather and black-grey jacquard silk. Mine is probably a decade old, as I believe the 4+4 line is a regular in the Scatola collection, so it came with light scratches on the leather; but a some massive hydratant cream massage and a little of black shoe wax the box was shinning again and the leather became quite supple, I still need to work on the gold plated buckle that is fading a little. Also the box is individualy numbered on the buckle The box is separated in two, one side for the bracelet watches This side accept round watches/chrono with bracelet or strap up to 38/40mm - I'd say a 42mm watch with crown is certainly just enough for it, my sub and 1665 fit right in but nothing more... Once closed this compartement is sealed by the 4 rounded pillow that you can see, so no risk of damage during transport Don't count on fitting a 44mm pannie or bentley GT...but like I said above the market for this type of boxes is often very high ends, like AP or VC that aim older buyers that prefers "mid-size" watches I believe (VC is often pictured on the scatola website) - but SDT now makes an oversized box. The spacing between each compartement is perfect and as the watches are totaly inserted into the slot there is absolutly no risk of contact between two of your precious - even when you use the slots for bigger watches...notice how the 6263 is completly fitted inside it, not very practical to remove though. The leather pillow is very well made and designed to maintain your watch perfectly and to fit the slot tight A small compartement covered of silk, allows a few straps, cufflinks...when you travel One side for the strap watches Made of leather like the other side the watch also is fitted entirely inside the silk slot, and covered by a silk panel with integrated pillows that keep the watch in place, the same size of watch can be fitted, my 1665 with SD (work in progress) fits the slot -but again as soon as you get a less usual shape it wont fit beside of a tonneau shape. Also, there is some thick leather spacers that prevent the strap and buckles for moving and touching the case, one is missing from the box I have, I'd like to get one from Scatola but I fear it will cost more than the price I paid for the whole box The bracelet compartement is removable It is made of plastic (!) and a bit wood on one side but it is covered with silk and with leather except both sides The box is made of wood tough Overall a tremendous watch, I paid this same week 27 euros for a faux leather 6 watch box and the compartements all unglued, the pouch were synthetic silk and the buckle can't even close correctly while on the scatola, the buckle is rock solid. So it is a tremendous object and even is most of my watches are too big to allow the box to close it is a perfect display box at home, that values my timepieces, difficult then to question their authenticity... Lastely, look around there are some on ebay floating around with sellers not knowing this is a prestigious item commanding big money - so don't run on the nearest scatola del tempo retailler Since then, I lost another one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...W%3AIT&rd=1 on TZ & the purists there can be also good deal to be made, but prepare at least 300-400 usd...

Well now we need to know the dimensions of the dial

Funny while looking at those pics I believe the next problem will be to source good flat screws for the bezel !!! This never stops!

Totally worth it, even if I plan to go to the gen soon... Hope DW can make it perfect, I added some good pictures!

http://www.ukwatches.com/BaselGVA2004/SANTOS_100.jpg http://www.brugte-ure.dk/billeder/219-1.jpg http://www.brugte-ure.dk/billeder/219-3.jpg

Guys please see this post: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?act=ST...st=0#entry84841

Alright, read this first: I am & was in no way affliated with DW in any kind of way...So if this project goes on, YOU will sort this out with him, pay him directly, I won't receive or make any money on this...and I don't want to be labled as an intermediate or worse a seller So here is the story: I asked DW about the Santos dial far from being perfect and the lone flaw standing in an overall impressive watch, he responded within 1 hour saying that making this dial 100% would be hard but that he can attain 95-98% (what are the 5% left I don't know), but if you've seen the dials he has on the 6263s you know they are overall quite good, I know some expert can confirm and I also know for sure that he has taken your advices on those dials. I asked about a quotation, he says a Santos 100 dial should be around 40usd that is quite a good price, but shipping is not included I believe (so make it around 60usd incl shipping). DIAL would be for ETA only (2824, 2836, 2892). So now we have the source that can manufacture it for us, but the tricky part is now, because DW does not speak well english, it will be hard to explain him that the dial is plain flat with no guilloche etc... What we need is: 1/ high res pics of the dial, to know the font used so that DW is not guessing and that can lead to a wrong font, I believe pughwash is able to identify a font from a high res pic? 2/The exact dimension of the dial, best would be to send him a dial so he can reproduce the shape of it, unfortunalty I don't have a santos anymore... 3/ A description of how the numerals & text should be positionned with explanatory pictures... As far as I know the overall size and position of the numerals is wrong (the gen numerals appears bolder in my eyes and enlarged compared to the rep dial), 'CARTIER' and 'automatic' should be closer to the numerals too, and lastly, swiss made is wrong... Any info, help is welcomed, I probably wont have much time to lead this project before the end of the month...but I will follow it closely LEt me know if you are interrested, and please contribute with any pictures of a gen dial you have

YEs but the reduced use a 2894 not a 7753, too bad! Is it possible to install a gen dial and movement on this case? either a manual or a 2894? should be a good franken project...but given the price of a speedy probably not worth it...

Alright now the price Around 40usd /dial sounds very good to me! DW needs a very high res picture of the original tough.

This wont have to be this expensive I believe, There is some movement: I asked DW about it he believes he can attain a 95/98% perfect Santos DIAL. So this is what I need to know 1/ The number of people that would buy this custom dial, if price is right, DW asked me the movement I told him 2824/2836/2892 line... 2/A list of ALL the flaw that needs to be corrected on the current version of that dial. 3/If anybody knows the font used by Cartier etc... 4/HI RES PICTURES of the dial of various angles 5/A dial from the current santos rep may also be needed in order to create a dial that is exactly the same size, it would be a shame to have a perfect dial but too big/small for the santos case

I Emailed 2 sources about this dial , hope one of them will respond ok for a decent price...not sure about that tough...

Well that could be true, Maradona sporting what looks like to be a "bad" fake Santos : http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg...d=0#msg_1973013

I believe Zizou will speak about that in 2 days... 3 explanations have been advanced: Racist insults Familly insults the steroid scandal à la juv when ZZ played methinks the second... Anyway not a smart move for a man playing is last game in the Wolrd Cup final.... Wasted opportunity to be recognised as the grestest!

I see that we have pretty much the same list, unfortunatly can't pass on the incorrect bezel font and second hads of the J12 and the wrong dial for the Santos, next is a FM 8006 too

Yep same here, this santos is intriguing to say the very least, strap looks good for a rep strap, nice color!

Both use asian 7750 - the bentley GT is fairly new and uses the 28800bhp asian 7750 version with day-date, not the altered 7750 to make it a 3,6,9 chrono, 7753 that in my eyes is perhaps a bit more fragile. As for cosmetic accuracy: THe white is off on the bentley because subdial should be grey/silver and the aren't, black, red, blue look good to me but I'm no Breitling expert...

Received the same watch last week, an incredible watch for an incredible price, the new asian 7750 hasn't missed a beat for 9 days... Follow the EL rules as for setting the date and everything will be ok!! I kept the bling bracelet though, massive and noticed, I'm looking for a breitling deployant to swap for a leather strap too...

READ THIS FRENCH LAW applies...to counterfeit item in France up to 5 years and 375.000€ ARTICLE 321-1 (Ordinance no. 2000-916 of 19 September 2000 Article 3 Official Journal of 22 September 2000 in force 1 January 2002) Receiving is the concealment, retention or transfer a thing, or acting as an intermediary in its transfer, knowing that that thing was obtained by a felony or misdemeanour. Receiving is also the act of knowingly benefiting in any manner from the product of a felony or misdemeanour. Receiving is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €375,000. ARTICLE 321-2 (Ordinance no. 2000-916 of 19 September 2000 Article 3 Official Journal of 22 September 2000 in force 1 January 2002) Receiving is punished by ten years' imprisonment and a fine of €750,000: 1° where it is committed habitually or by using the facilities conferred by the exercise of trade or profession; 2° where it was committed by an organised gang. ARTICLE 321-3 (Ordinance no. 2000-916 of 19 September 2000 Article 3 Official Journal of 22 September 2000 in force 1 January 2002) The fines provided by articles 321-1 and 321-2 may be raised beyond €375,000 to reach half the value of the goods handled. ARTICLE 321-4 Where an offence whence the goods in question came is punished by a custodial sentence higher than that incurred under articles 321-1 or 321-2, the receiver is punished by the penalties pertaining to the offence that he knew about, and if this offence was accompanied by aggravating circumstances, by such penalties as relate exclusively to the circumstances of which he was aware. ARTICLE 321-5 Receiving is assimilated, in respect of recidivism, to the offence from which the goods in question came. ARTICLE 321-9 Natural persons convicted of any of the offences provided for under the present chapter also incur the following additional penalties: 1° forfeiture of civic, civil and family rights pursuant to the conditions set out under article 131-26; 2° prohibition, pursuant to the conditions set out under article 131-27, to hold public office or to discharge the social or professional activity in the course of which or on the occasion of the performance of which the offence was committed; such prohibition being permanent or temporary in the cases set out under articles 321-2 and 321-4, and limited to five years in the cases set out under articles 321-1, 321-6, 321-7 and 321-8; 3° mandatory closure of the business premises or of one or more of the premises of the undertaking which were used to commit the offences; such prohibition being permanent or temporary in the cases set out under articles 321-2 and 321-4, and limited to longer than five years in the cases set out under articles 321-1, 321-6, 321-7 and 321-8; 4° temporary or permanent disqualification from public tenders in the cases set out under articles 321-2 and 321-4, and a disqualification not exceeding five years in the cases set out under articles 321-1, 321-6, 321-7 and 321-8; 5° prohibition to draw cheques except those allowing the withdrawal of funds by the drawer from the drawee or certified cheques, for a maximum period of five years; 6° confiscation of the thing which was used or intended for the commission of the offence or of the thing which is the product of it, with the exception of articles subject to restitution; 7° confiscation of one or more weapons which the convicted person owns or has freely available to him; 8° area banishment, pursuant to the conditions set out under article 131-31, in the cases referred to under articles 321-1 to 321-4; 9° public display of the decision or dissemination of the decision made, pursuant to the conditions set out under article 131-35. ARTICLE 321-10 In the cases referred to under articles 321-1 to 321-4, the other additional penalties incurred for the felonies and misdemeanours from which the stolen goods originated may also be imposed. ARTICLE 321-11 Any alien convicted of any of the offences referred to under article 321-2 may be banished from French territory either permanently or for a maximum period of ten years in accordance with the conditions laid down under article 131-30. TO BE CONVICTED Prosecution must first demonstrate that "that thing was obtained by a felony or misdemeanour"... Then it must demonstrate that the receiver knew that "that thing was obtained by a felony or misdemeanour"... BUT: pretexting you did not know it was a rep is a non factor because the very low price and method of aquisition should have warned you it was either a rep or a genuine that was stolen...and it's enough to be punished. Never forget that luxury is a huge economy and lobby in France...

Yeah make an aquaracer and carrera both with 7750 and easily repable! Still the monaco is one of my favs

Hey Fendy nice to have you back my friend, been a while, hope you doing well !