marrickvilleboy

The PO I think is fine with H3? The issue with the TC subs is because of the additional DWO which adds more to the depth and hence the longer CP. Either that or perhaps I really did put a 2824 into the PO instead of the 2982

thanks for all of the replies, gents. All in all, good thread to voice everyone's views on this. There was once upon a time when this forum was more about the builds and not so much about the profits - just seems nowadays, more watches are being super frankened and selling in the thousands. Guess thats the rep game changing.

For rarer models, yes, people and the general community appreciates its value and will pay accordingly. The last few posts were referring to rare models, i.e., the vintage daytona, rare subs, etc, and I hear you, I hear you.... omg I feel like we've been going in circles here. I'm talking about standard models that have been "over" frankened that are selling at close to genuine used prices. perhaps we should delete this thread, my head hurts lol

This isn't my watch, friend has sent it back I believe. I have a similar one hence I knew that it was the closed factory version.

Calm down No one is saying you can't You can spend 4x the money on a build for all I care But as a community letting someone sell something at 'unreasonable prices' should be moderated and as Nanuq has said, the mods here will keep an eye out.

No one is debating this. Yes, you are building a franken at a fraction of the cost of the genuine despite being in the several K territory. Question now is, is it still ok to sell it at $15-20K? I mean its still cheaper than the genuine piece. Thats what i'm getting at. The $3.5K for a franken when a used genuine piece is $4.5-5K is not sensible and frankly a little silly in most accounts.

Dont think you can really beat the TC for now. But honestly, try not to blow your budget, the genuine 16610 isnt that far out of reach after you start compiling these parts you gonna be sending yourself north of $2K

T, Point #2: Your method doesn't always have good precedents to work off. i.e., in the case of the $3.5K watch, not everyone has sold a franken to that level of genuine parts so only comparing it to a used genuine would garner some comparison and to help price according. Point #3: I agree if it had a service then yes, that would add some value and yes, the buyer should pay for that but labour value for installing a genuine crown or a crystal shouldn't be passed on to the buyer. That would be like saying you got spoilers put on your car but you also want to sell that car with a price that includes installation of the spoiler, ON TOP of the price of the spoiler itself. I've never seen this happen.

Yes, we're not trying to debate the efficiency of the market as most of us are already in agreeance that it should naturally force a "fair" price in the medium term. However, that shouldn't mean members within this community aren't allowed to check in the seller's thread that the price doesn't seem fair. What I have found lately are sellers stating "don't thread crap" or "if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all". The reality is if the price is fair, no one would object to begin with. On the flip side, if you happen to stumble across a piece at a fantastic price prior and sell it after at a higher price, thats fine as long as that latter price is still deemed fair. In summary, i'm pro "sanity checking" sellers and their selling posts. If its not deemed reasonable, it should be stated freely by other members on this forum.

Either that or I was a sucker for selling 2 last year for $60 each lol which I thought was fair bearing I got them for around that price. Mind you, some of the RWI sellers are also very reasonable. Case in point is RSH who was selling gen 703 crowns for $65 I recall.

Great replies guys. Don't get me wrong, it is a hobby and I agree with you that the emotional satisfaction is real and yes it is your money so you can do what you like with your watch . My original post is pinpointed actually against selling them at high high prices. Case is in is the 16610 on RWI for $3.5K. Each genuine part he has listed in the watch seems to be marked at above market prices. Yet not one person has tried to "sanity check" the seller. This was advertised: Reshaped tc case Refished tc bezel Softened tc v3 bracelet Gen crystal Gen insert Gen crown Gen dial Gen hands Gen date disk Gen 3135! gen crystal: $150 (about right for used) gen insert: $120 (being generous here as one was sold recently here for $90 in great condition) gen crown: $70 (can get even lower) gen dial: $300 (only wildcard here as dial tends to fluctuate a little) gen hands: $200 (can get cheaper if used) Gen 3135: $1700 (one currently been sold atm on RWG for $1800 and no bites) TC watch: $550 Under $3K and this doesnt reflect selling TC parts being replaced. Probably get $200 back once you include the 2824 movement... Sure, he may have sourced each part NEW but if he did that, I wouldnt even know where to begin on the silliness of that in terms of economics

This is the older model. I dont think many dealers carried this version with accuracy. Try the new ceramic bezel versions. They are quite accurate

I know this topic has probably been discussed before but I want to get this off my chest.. Whats up with this high prices for "modified" watches? All I see these days are fancy marketing words like "uberfranken", "superfranken", "closest-to-gen" models..... starting to sound like dealers now. The way that i see it is, if you are selling a franken, the guidelines should be: 1) Confirm that all parts you have advertised are indeed genuine 2) Compare your franken vs a genuine piece at market value and sanity check if your price is appropriate 3) Your price shouldn't include labour costs associated with putting the watch together prior I say this because you have people selling frankens in the thousands. There is currently a franken 16610 model on RWI selling for $3.5K when you can get a used version for $4.5K. I know its not scamming but I think prices in that range, especially so close to a price of a genuine is "unethical". If our forums are built to prevent high prices for replica watches, then we should also make sure overpriced frankens dont fall through the cracks. Now I know what you're gonna say, fair market dictates that there's a buyer for a certain price but i'm not sure all of the buyers (members) here really know fair price, especially if they are new. /end rant

Sourced a TC crown so just ready for a few minor things and will put this together. Pics to come. Again, for $213 out of pocket for me - I think its not a bad attempt.

Does anyone know if the one that Yuki sells fits other eta movements? i.e., eta 2784 I recall the bearings being different so i'm suspicious that Yuki's rotor only fits the 2824 and 2836. Anyone can confirm? Also anyone got a spare lying around? thanks!

Agree with High regarding Tudor case Hope you didn't pay price of genuine

looking good, M. Have you got a case sourced already?

yeah thats too much. I think i've seen these go for around $2.5K on average whereas the standard one goes for around $1.2-1.5 in good condition.

the limited edition fetches for much more I think no insert which I think was the reason why it was cheaper? no idea - need to ask friend

He said around $1K which I guess should have been a sign that it was fake

looking good - J keep up the good work!

So a friend of mine in the watch world purchased what he thought was a genuine Omega 007 Limited Edition (the first one released in 2002) and he got it on Monday. Sadly, upon closer inspection it looks like a replica. He sent me pictures and from what I can see, this is one of the first Omega 007 Seamasters (the closed factory model) released back in the day. Now i'm sitting here thinking, could the seller, who is based in Queensland, be a former member here trying to pass off a quality replica as genuine? Friend said the seller's name is Allen U. Does this ring a bell to any of the aussie guys here? Anyway, appreciate your thoughts on the watch. It has the correct HEV position, you can see the serial on the lug and it uses the seagull clone eta 2892 movement which are trademarks of the best replica Omega SMP replica around. He is trying to get his money back at this stage...

sorry to hear! hope you can get things sorted out shortly

fk its been 9 years since I joined? time flies.... and YES RBJ haha - wonder whatever happened to him?