freddy333

Well said. But I think it also has to be said that, here, gens & reps are all treated equally.

This is the 1st time in 10 years of following gen fora that I have seen such a provocative post elicit effectively no response even though at least 30 forum members have viewed it. I have a feeling there is alot of offline conversation going on, which will lead to some serious bandwidth being used over this tonight or tomorrow.

You should do a brown lucite for goldie '42s. Not that there are sufficient numbers of them to make it worthwhile.

See, there's another 1.

Nanuq - I think it may be time to post this link in response to conrail's comments. A completely innocent 'Is this where you saw those pics before?' Not only should that stir things up, but it would automatically link TZ into the fun without your having to risk suspicion by starting a new thread over there.

It was not 1 of our sellers, but here is the watch With a bit of enhanced patination for the dial (it might also benefit from reluming), hands & case, 1 of JoeyB's inserts & a Yuki bracelet & you have a pretty respectable '42. And, according to their description, this watch comes with a slow-beat 2846, so you would not need to do any of the GMT component transplants I had to do. The hand I built for my Phase 1 '42 was a true Frankenstein & it was all soldered together with silver solder (& alot of COLD sweat). The center ring came from a 1675 GMT hand, the center wand came from a generic hand (the 1675 wand was too thick) & the tip came from 1 of MY's aftermarket GMT hands (made to fit a 103x movement). Had the rep above been available back then, I could have saved myself ALOT of time, money & effort.

No, TeeJay. I wish I did. That is why both JoeyB & I had to manufacture them out of other hands, which is alot of work. Hang on.................I cannot remember whether it had a small tipped GMT hand or not, but 1 of our sellers is now offering a quite reasonable 6542 rep. Let me take a look around & get back to you on that.

Nanuq - Unless you post on TZ under a different handle, I do not think I would cross-post. At least not yet. Your current post seems perfectly innocent because you were responding to someone else's question. But I think if you begin a new thread on TZ the same day you posted on the other site, especially after seeming to admit that you may have made a mistake, it would seem a bit suspicious. However, if, as I suspect, other posters begin to disagree with conrail's assumptions & things get contentious, then, if you fail to repost, I am certain that someone else will. I would be very interested to see Dowlng's reaction.

There are too many gen details in those pics for a knowledgeable collector to dismiss everything, which is why I suspect the 1st responder is more of a novice. Certainly, if I saw those 2 pics, the 1st thing I would do is look at the small details (which is where reps/frankens nearly always fall flat). How many reps/frankens have you seen of a Turn-O-Graph Deluxe? How many folded-link jubilee bracelets? How many riveted gold Oyster rep bracelets with the correct polished center links (matte edge links) & dents (that do not reveal the underlying base metal) have you seen? How many DJ Mystery dials? etc. etc. With those types of details, I would certainly call the GMT a gen (which it mostly is). No. I do not have a rail dial & I am not a member (never posted anything there). Yeah, that is my thinking. Especially, since (with the exception of that brilliantly conceived/executed insert that would fool me under the right circumstances - like being shown with other gens) the '42 IS all gen. So anyone, like conrail (who has modified his comments for at least the 6th time - I think he may be starting to question his own claims now), who dismisses the GMT as a 'franken/fantasy/replica piece' without citing specific problems with the watch (there really aren't any), is revealing his naivete.

I have been monitoring the thread for the past hour &, based on the dozen or so members who keep coming back to the thread, I would wager that the jury is still very much out.

No. The handstack order is dictated by the movement's construction. The only way to get a correct handstack is to install a movement with a correct handstack. And the hour hand is on the bottom of a GMTIIC

Looks like I should have spoken sooner. Is 'conrail' a member here (he inquired if the pics belong to 'fredy', then removed my name & changed his question 2-3 times..........so far)? This exercise may turn out to be useful in outing some meddlesome double-agents. These pics are only a few days old, so they could not have appeared in any previous threads anywhere but (a few days ago) here. Therefore, comments about previous sightings should be considered suspect & coming from likely double agents (RWG members who pretend to be outraged gen owners on gen fora ).

Nanuq - If anyone recognizes the pics, you might offer this link.

Nanuq - I see you posted the GMT. You should post the other pic as well since it lends credibility to the GMT (guilt by association). Should be a very interesting thread (which, as usual, will no doubt branch off into other fora).

Good point. I just changed the watermarks on the 2 pics above, so they should be safe to post. Are you sure you have the right pic? That looks like a white 6542.

Sure, but be prepared for the Spanish Inquisition. Recently, there was a similar thread (now closed) here. Let the games begin.

Or have a number of old members (those who joined in or before 2006) suddenly reappeared this week?

In general, I agree, which is why I would never post my pics in gen forums. But a number of my pics have been found (via google) & reposted (as gens) on gen forums by gen forum members, many of whom then ooh & ahh over their 'favorite' pics. There are a number of threads here on RWG that discuss this (usually citing the fact that my pics were reposted without my permission & that was 1 of the reasons I began watermarking my pics). The 2 pics I posted a few posts above this 1 are located in a user folder on a privately hosted server, so there is little usable info that anyone can get from them.

I am tempted, but, since I am not a member there, anything I post will attract alot of suspicion. Especially, watches like these. On the other hand, when a known member on another site re-posts my pics, neither the poster nor my pics get challenged. Anyone here a member there? And, when asked where the pics came from, just say they came up in a google search. That way, they will not have anyone to cross-examine.

A similar watch appeared in a couple of books & in the Clapton auction & I liked the look, so I painted my hand to match.

Either Ziggy or KP.

Clark's Superdome is probably the best option since NOS gens are now 25+ years old &, therefore, can no longer be relied on for waterproofness. Looks good.

Seduced by its charms, I wore my Aryan 'Master today