freddy333

Here you go. Unfortunately, some of the pic links are broken (I no longer have the pics), but read through all the links in my posts, which contain additional sources/details (& possibly some pics).

I posted an Hev How-to a few years ago, but it may have gotten lost during 1 of the forum upgrades. I will have a look & update this if I can locate a link for you.

I did & maybe you are confusing my Phase 1 (a rep turned franken) watch with Phase II (all gen (& partially NOS) except the insert)? In the case of the Phase II watch (which is the 1 under consideration here), I took a gen, water-damaged 6542 dial (black) & had it repainted (white & by the same people who restore dials for Rolex USA). In that context, referring to the dial or watch as being 'fake', especially coming from someone who I know knows the difference (you), did not seem correct (or funny). Again, maybe just a bit of confusion all around?

I get the valuation differences between repainted vs original dials, but you said 'everyone is focused on the one element which is fake' & the dial is not 'fake' by any means. Or am I reading you wrong?

Funny?

I think that, ultimately, it was a snarky thing for us to do. Well, at least the way it was done. But, considering that the OP of that thread inquired about white '42s, it seemed logical for someone to toss my watch into the ring. And, again, for those who just tuned-in, my '42 is all gen except for the insert. Yes, I repainted the (gen) dial white instead of its original black, but the watch is certainly not a replica, so no rules were broken (Phase 1 '42 at right) It should also be noted that many of the senior members of gen forums routinely have their watches serviced by indy watchsmiths (Bob Ridley, Michael Young, etc), who must often swap defective parts for used or aftermarket parts, which, by definition, results in a Frankenstein watch. Had my watch been assembled by Bob Ridley, none of these gords would ever dare utter a discouraging word or complain that the pics were posted by someone affiliated with RWG. But because it was an RWG member that performed the same work, it gets some gen owners' (& those two-faced, double-agents) panties in a whirl. Bottom line - it was a well intentioned idea that probably should have been handled differently.

I think you mean (Turn-o-graph) Date-just. I do not have any experience with reps of these watches, but Trustytime is 1 of the better sellers. However, before you buy anything, I would strongly recommend that you read this.

It all depends on the specific example. Some are better, some are worse.

Nanuq is exactly correct. The watch in question was constructed (with the exception of the insert) out of gen parts, which is why we got a bit carried away. And, for that, I think we are all sorry.

Well said. But I think it also has to be said that, here, gens & reps are all treated equally.

This is the 1st time in 10 years of following gen fora that I have seen such a provocative post elicit effectively no response even though at least 30 forum members have viewed it. I have a feeling there is alot of offline conversation going on, which will lead to some serious bandwidth being used over this tonight or tomorrow.

You should do a brown lucite for goldie '42s. Not that there are sufficient numbers of them to make it worthwhile.

See, there's another 1.

Nanuq - I think it may be time to post this link in response to conrail's comments. A completely innocent 'Is this where you saw those pics before?' Not only should that stir things up, but it would automatically link TZ into the fun without your having to risk suspicion by starting a new thread over there.

It was not 1 of our sellers, but here is the watch With a bit of enhanced patination for the dial (it might also benefit from reluming), hands & case, 1 of JoeyB's inserts & a Yuki bracelet & you have a pretty respectable '42. And, according to their description, this watch comes with a slow-beat 2846, so you would not need to do any of the GMT component transplants I had to do. The hand I built for my Phase 1 '42 was a true Frankenstein & it was all soldered together with silver solder (& alot of COLD sweat). The center ring came from a 1675 GMT hand, the center wand came from a generic hand (the 1675 wand was too thick) & the tip came from 1 of MY's aftermarket GMT hands (made to fit a 103x movement). Had the rep above been available back then, I could have saved myself ALOT of time, money & effort.

No, TeeJay. I wish I did. That is why both JoeyB & I had to manufacture them out of other hands, which is alot of work. Hang on.................I cannot remember whether it had a small tipped GMT hand or not, but 1 of our sellers is now offering a quite reasonable 6542 rep. Let me take a look around & get back to you on that.

Nanuq - Unless you post on TZ under a different handle, I do not think I would cross-post. At least not yet. Your current post seems perfectly innocent because you were responding to someone else's question. But I think if you begin a new thread on TZ the same day you posted on the other site, especially after seeming to admit that you may have made a mistake, it would seem a bit suspicious. However, if, as I suspect, other posters begin to disagree with conrail's assumptions & things get contentious, then, if you fail to repost, I am certain that someone else will. I would be very interested to see Dowlng's reaction.

There are too many gen details in those pics for a knowledgeable collector to dismiss everything, which is why I suspect the 1st responder is more of a novice. Certainly, if I saw those 2 pics, the 1st thing I would do is look at the small details (which is where reps/frankens nearly always fall flat). How many reps/frankens have you seen of a Turn-O-Graph Deluxe? How many folded-link jubilee bracelets? How many riveted gold Oyster rep bracelets with the correct polished center links (matte edge links) & dents (that do not reveal the underlying base metal) have you seen? How many DJ Mystery dials? etc. etc. With those types of details, I would certainly call the GMT a gen (which it mostly is). No. I do not have a rail dial & I am not a member (never posted anything there). Yeah, that is my thinking. Especially, since (with the exception of that brilliantly conceived/executed insert that would fool me under the right circumstances - like being shown with other gens) the '42 IS all gen. So anyone, like conrail (who has modified his comments for at least the 6th time - I think he may be starting to question his own claims now), who dismisses the GMT as a 'franken/fantasy/replica piece' without citing specific problems with the watch (there really aren't any), is revealing his naivete.

I have been monitoring the thread for the past hour &, based on the dozen or so members who keep coming back to the thread, I would wager that the jury is still very much out.

No. The handstack order is dictated by the movement's construction. The only way to get a correct handstack is to install a movement with a correct handstack. And the hour hand is on the bottom of a GMTIIC

Looks like I should have spoken sooner. Is 'conrail' a member here (he inquired if the pics belong to 'fredy', then removed my name & changed his question 2-3 times..........so far)? This exercise may turn out to be useful in outing some meddlesome double-agents. These pics are only a few days old, so they could not have appeared in any previous threads anywhere but (a few days ago) here. Therefore, comments about previous sightings should be considered suspect & coming from likely double agents (RWG members who pretend to be outraged gen owners on gen fora ).

Nanuq - If anyone recognizes the pics, you might offer this link.

Nanuq - I see you posted the GMT. You should post the other pic as well since it lends credibility to the GMT (guilt by association). Should be a very interesting thread (which, as usual, will no doubt branch off into other fora).