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I hope you're right. I'd love to have a decent Dweller.

I'm beginning to think that the initial case offering (with gen movement) had genuine case as well. It looked way too good. Observe how absolutely amazing the rehaut profile is. The new version looks nothing like it.

Congrats! This is one of the best "budget" reps ever, and I'm still surprised how accurate it is. PS: Besides the bad crown and cg's the ETA versions have the text "automatic" on the dial, and it should be "chronometer". This is hands down the most accurate version.

The two-tone BCE with blue dial is amazing. Since the new SeaDweller was such a huge disappointment (I had funds saved for it) I have been considering the BCE as well.

Gens, reps, what's the real difference? They're just watches. But the rep watch community is much more fascinating than the gen one. More drama, more controversy, more shady characters, etc. The gen community is just as boring as any "politically correct" family TV show. The rep community is The Sopranos.

Nice photo AD!

Hi Moppel, I still have the bracelet. It was installed on my black GMT. And yes, it has pins.

I assume you have already read THIS? Here's a pic.

I merged the topics. Aquaracer for me today.

The watch in the picture looks genuine. That's not any kind of guarantee of the real product though.

Welcome deep1! And don't hesitate to share pictures of your collection.

I still have the "Coke" bezel on my "transformer" noob GMT. That's what I've been wearing today. PS: Moved this to "General Discussion". That's where the wrist shots have always been posted.

Probably the initial case offering, which WAS amazing. What is the "3035 version"? With genuine Rolex movement again, eh? That'd make the price ridiculous... around 2K.

A gen shot. Observe how thick the front rehaut on this watch is. It's gigantic due to extra thick crystal, and there are two separate "bevels" on the rehaut, which are extremely apparent. The (new) rep version fails miserably.

The thickness is the biggest draw on this watch for me. That's exactly what makes it so "macho". But once again, I think watches like this require a big, or at least moderately sized wrist to look good.

It's not a forum vs. forum thing, or at least it shouldn't be. There might be different forums, but we are all in the same community. Lots of good members in all boards. Nobody deserves to be misled or ripped off, and it's the admins' and board owners' responsibility to protect the members.

That's a good question. Perhaps it should be addressed to the owners/admins of RWI?

@dieselpower: Wouldn't it be much more important to post this to RWI, where Joe is a moderator... and where all new Joe mod jobs take place? He has been banned from this forum, and doesn't collect new customers from here. At RWI you stated there that you're happy with the watch and communication. http://replica-watch.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30947 Isn't this quite misleading... and just encourage more people to send watches to him?

There are many other threads about this same watch, so I closed this one.

This is now probably 5th thread about this same watch. How many separate threads we need, it's quite difficult to follow them all. Once again, the biggest disappointment is the rehaut shape, which looks absolutely NOTHING like the genuine SeaDweller. This kind of crystal/rehaut shape is ESSENTIAL for the SeaDweller, but it's completely f*cked up on this new version. It was good on King's initial watch. The MOST IMPORTANT feature on the Dweller is the thick crystal, low rehaut and very special rehaut/crystal combo, which has very characteristic look, especially from an angled view. They have screwed up the most important visual feature on this watch. The first (best) version on the left. The new one has also very bad crown guards. It's not "ultimate" or 1:1, it's just standard, hyped up and average Rolex replica with some serious & fundamental flaws. Our only hope is that they'll reissue the initial version. What a disappointment! I've been waiting for this watch as well, and it would have been nice to finally see a decent Rolex replica. It's especially disappointing, because we OFFERED to help the factory, here in the forum. Apparently they weren't even interested in building a good one. Same old, same old...

Agreed 100%. If this is the "updated and final case", and if there will be no version with the original (awesome) case, no Dweller for me. That's a major disappointment, and another insane screw-up from the factory. This thin rehaut version with bulky crown guards looks nothing like the genuine SeaDweller.

Nice. I probably don't have to ask if you're going to see the new Van Halen tour with DLR. Personally, I always liked Hagar more. I saw DLR's solo gig once, and he totally sucked (and was drunk as a pig). But then again, I'd love to hear a bootleg from this new VH tour... the fans will probably love it.

G.M.T = Greenwich Mean Time I decided to write this quick guide, because there still seems to be lots of confusion about the GMT movements. Besides the real GMT movement, like ETA 2893-2, there are three kinds of "faux" GMT movements in replicas, 2 based on ETA 2836-2, one based on Asian 21J movement. The first one is the "correct hand stack" modification, which mimics the genuine GMT movement, i.e the "hour hand adjustable" watch. This modification has the GMT hand placed above the hour hand on the stack. The factories have developed this modification specifically for Rolexes, GMT Master II & Explorer II. On this modification the date change follows the GMT hand, unlike the "wrong" hand stack modification, which makes the date change to follow the hour hand. (Technically the "wrong" hand stack version is just a standard ETA movement where the GMT hand has been attached to the main hour hand with a double sized rotor (that makes the full turn 2x slower.)) The "correct hand stack" modification acts like the real GMT movement, and it allows you to set the hour hand independently without stopping the seconds hand. When you set the crown into the 2nd position, only the hour hand moves in one hour jumps, while the GMT stays immobile. Like I said, there is no hack signal in the hour hand setup position, and the seconds hand keeps running. Good example of a replica like this is the Explorer II ("correct hand stack model"), which I have reviewed HERE and HERE. Below is a picture of the correct hand stack on my Explorer II: However this modification might be unreliable, which is why I don't recommend it. Ziggy explains the potential technical problems with this modification in his movement review section. The link is HERE. There is also another "faux" GMT movement, which is widely used on replicas. It's the "wrong hand stack" 2836-2 version. Replica snobs look this movement down their noses, because it doesn't act like the "real" GMT movement. In this modification it's not possible to set the hour hand independently at all, but you set the GMT hand instead. This happens when you unscrew the crown into date set position, and turn the crown anti-clockwise. The problem with the GMT hand setup is that the GMT hand turns freely and smoothly over the dial, which (supposedly) makes it difficult to set the GMT hand "in sync" with the local time. In my opinion, this is absolute nonsense. There's nothing difficult to make it sync with the hour hand. Just wait until time is say, 9'o'clock sharp (or before setting the local time, set all the hands at say, '12 sharp manually), and move the GMT hand exactly into the desired xx:00 2nd timezone position. When you have once set the GMT hand in sync, you don't necessarily have to touch it anymore, ever again (assuming you have a watch like Rolex GMT Master, which has rotating bezel with 2nd timezone hour markers). When you set the time (in the crown position 3) the GMT hand follows along perfectly (and stays in sync). If you want to set your GMT hand to follow some other timezone, you just turn the bezel into the desired position. If you have a watch like "wrong hand stack" Rolex Explorer II (Exp II has a fixed bezel) or "Bond" Seamaster GMT, you have to manually make it "sync" again with the local time if you want to change the watch to follow another 2nd timezone. It's also important to understand that the GMT hand takes 24 hours to make "full circle" on the dial. All GMT watches have separate markers for the GMT hand. For example on Rolex GMT Master, Black Omega Seamaster and Explorer II the hour markers for the GMT hand are on the bezel. These 24h markers are probably more natural to use for the Europeans, because it's the European way to tell time (24h system, not AM/PM 12h system). The Asian 21J version of the "faux" GMT acts exactly the same way. I have owned several "wrong hand stack" GMT's, and they have been bullet proof and reliable. There's absolutely no reason to avoid this movement. While it's not technically like the real GMT movement, it serves the exact same purpose perfectly and is completely functional as a "GMT watch". The purpose of a GMT watch is to follow the 2nd timezone, and this "poor man's modification" does it perfectly.

G.M.T = Greenwich Mean Time I decided to write this quick guide, because there still seems to be lots of confusion about the GMT movements. Besides the real GMT movement, like ETA 2893-2, there are three kinds of "faux" GMT movements in replicas, 2 based on ETA 2836-2, one based on Asian 21J movement. The first one is the "correct hand stack" modification, which mimics the genuine GMT movement, i.e the "hour hand adjustable" watch. This modification has the GMT hand placed above the hour hand on the stack. The factories have developed this modification specifically for Rolexes, GMT Master II & Explorer II. On this modification the date change follows the GMT hand, unlike the "wrong" hand stack modification, which makes the date change to follow the hour hand. (Technically the "wrong" hand stack version is just a standard ETA movement where the GMT hand has been attached to the main hour hand with a double sized rotor (that makes the full turn 2x slower.)) The "correct hand stack" modification acts like the real GMT movement, and it allows you to set the hour hand independently without stopping the seconds hand. When you set the crown into the 2nd position, only the hour hand moves in one hour jumps, while the GMT stays immobile. Like I said, there is no hack signal in the hour hand setup position, and the seconds hand keeps running. Good example of a replica like this is the Explorer II ("correct hand stack model"), which I have reviewed HERE and HERE. Below is a picture of the correct hand stack on my Explorer II: However this modification might be unreliable, which is why I don't recommend it. Ziggy explains the potential technical problems with this modification in the RWiki section (avalable for RWG supporters only). The link is HERE. There is also another "faux" GMT movement, which is widely used on replicas. It's the "wrong hand stack" 2836-2 version. Replica snobs look this movement down their noses, because it doesn't act like the "real" GMT movement. In this modification it's not possible to set the hour hand independently at all, but you set the GMT hand instead. This happens when you unscrew the crown into date set position, and turn the crown anti-clockwise. The problem with the GMT hand setup is that the GMT hand turns freely and smoothly over the dial, which (supposedly) makes it difficult to set the GMT hand "in sync" with the local time. In my opinion, this is absolute nonsense. There's nothing difficult to make it sync with the hour hand. Just wait until time is say, 9'o'clock sharp, and move the GMT hand exactly into the desired xx:00 2nd timezone position. When you have once set the GMT hand in sync, you don't necessarily have to touch it anymore, ever again (assuming you have a watch like Rolex GMT Master, which has rotating bezel with 2nd timezone hour markers). When you set the time (in the crown position 3) the GMT hand follows along perfectly (and stays in sync). If you want to set your GMT hand to follow some other timezone, you just turn the bezel into the desired position. If you have a watch like "wrong hand stack" Rolex Explorer II (Exp II has a fixed bezel) or "Bond" Seamaster GMT, you have to manually make it "sync" again with the local time if you want to change the watch to follow another 2nd timezone. It's also important to understand that the GMT hand takes 24 hours to make "full circle" on the dial. All GMT watches have separate markers for the GMT hand. For example on Rolex GMT Master, Black Omega Seamaster and Explorer II the hour markers for the GMT hand are on the bezel. These 24h markers are probably more natural to use for the Europeans, because it's the European way to tell time (24h system, not AM/PM 12h system). The Asian 21J version of the "faux" GMT acts exactly the same way. I have owned several "wrong hand stack" GMT's, and they have been bullet proof and reliable. There's absolutely no reason to avoid this movement. While it's not technically like the real GMT movement, it serves the exact same purpose perfectly and is completely functional as a "GMT watch". The purpose of a GMT watch is to follow the 2nd timezone, and this "poor man's modification" does it perfectly.

I agree, Kon-Tiki is a great watch. This diver version is a lot like Doxa, I love it. Here's a bit different version... mmm, great! How about Kon-Tiki chronograph? Not bad.