" Gerlach watches from Poland, Steinhart in Germany or Prometheus and Borealis watches from Portugal amongst many others." Ding ding ding , give the man a cigar ! Had just about all of those my Borealis was in the raffle all fine watches and so can an Invicta be a fine watch for the money if know which one to buy. Now cavi on the reps well one feels gen the other not so much , that is the way it goes keep one sell other I guess. On the hate they are perceived as the brand of uncultured, unknowledgeable watch collectors. Hey I have one bought long ago before I knew any better not that it is a huge ugly watch just can not wear an Invicta feel like a cheap whore now a Seiko at same price point yes , now you are a smart WIS.