Mike on a bike

"Most members understand, some others not too sure." In some cases they do not understand, others are just being cute. I have a solution: price is w/ fees $ &*^% (so you figure it out and give price) no need to be a prick about it just say " OK net price is X PP me that".

Well like most have had tons of reps most gone, still have a few but mostly buy gens now. I can not mod or fix so have to have all work done and not happy w/ out of the box in 90% of cases so again gen the way to go.

Looks great , thought you were going w/ blue dial?

For 23 bucks I just bought them no real watches in mind .

Look around might find something you need. http://www.android-usa.com/Articles.asp?ID=277 I picked up these: http://www.android-usa.com/product-p/24-lb-com11.htm

The guys will know Doc but considering what they said next store most likely an" A".

If you are not going vintage get a TC.

Stepan did not mean to minimise your lose but I already knew what my friend Legend was thinking so giving him a heads up. Maybe " under 200 " would have been a better choice. This being said we are buying reps and these things happen I am not happy about Josh's position could have meet you half way or something and although I would have liked to push it could not due to signing.

Not a biggie Legend. Yes it was per docs and if not accepted we would be fine money refunded or new watch sent. Like I said never accept under these conditions and I'm sure Stepan would not have so a tough call for the dealer but policy is if you take it , it's yours.................

Sort of stuck here Sgt as you indicated.

OK it seems that the package was signed for by Stepan's wife, not knowing the ropes she took a damaged empty package. It is noted on Stepan's paper work but it's a rep how does he go after it. Now Josh's position is signed for WTF it was empty do not accept, now he can not get money from post and technically it was signed for so he is off the hook. Now you can say doesn't matter same as customs getting and in my judgement you have grounds but the dealers have huge volume so they will replace seized or lost not signed for watches but if you sign for an item that is not there well they see it different.

True one of the reasons I stay away from those , I need to buy custom all the time as good or bad to short for me.

OK guys saved it to sticky so we can always find it.

OK guys have Josh talking on the email, we shall see.

Guys Jos Nana is here but to be honest did not know he was Perfect Clones just Jos Nana to me on other sites listed as Perfect Clones, whatever I will get in touch.

Ran across this next store , never saw it posted here. Good stuff! Memeber ALE7575 did this great work, all hail! Posted 07 December 2014 - 07:38 PM KW PAM382 Bronze material – Official Chemical Analysis We all would like to know the chemical composition of PAM 382 reps bronze material. Therefore in order to get the answer I contacted some months ago with KW owner Mehmet and Puretime’s Angus asking them for case samples of KW and ZFac PAM 382 respectively. In parallel I contacted with official Spanish laboratories trying to get a free but reliable chemical analysis of the samples. KW’s Mehmet was immediately willing to send me the sample when the Laboratory was ready. But it was not able to get ZFac sample, because Puretime told me that he had already sent a sample from ZFac to another member (Pete M) in order to make the same official analysis as I wanted. In August 2014 I got, through a friend of mine (an engineer colleague), the possibility of a free chemical analysis from a first class Official Spanish Laboratory. I ask Mehmet for the sample and in some days I received the sample of KW PAM 382 case from Kuvarsit. The sample was an unfinished KW PAM 382 case before machining, taken directly from the current production as I asked to KW. You can see the sample received in below pic. SAMPLE OF KW PAM 382 CASE BEFORE MACHINING At that moment my fried was just starting his summer vacation and I had to wait until the end of September to send him the samples In October my friend got the sample to start the chemical analysis of the bronze. I have the results from about 20 October, but I have not found time to prepare this thread until this moment. TECHNIQUE OF ANALYSIS I wanted to get a chemical analysis by an Atomic Absorption Spectrophotometer, because that was the analysis method I was used to using when I worked in metal alloys. But my friend told me he liked to use a more modern system. It was used one of the most modern, reliable and precise techniques available at this moment: Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM) See below link for more info: http://serc.carleton...niques/SEM.html http://www.labtestin...g/sem-analysis/ To get an idea about the sophistication of this method, you should know that the cost of the equipment to make this kind of analysis is about 3 million Euros. Of course SEM is a very reliable method of chemical analysis and there is no doubt about the precision of the results. PREPARATION OF THE SAMPLE It was necessary to cut a part of the case to make the analysis. The Laboratory cut a lug of the case to prepare the final sample to be analyzed. This lug was slightly polished to be introduced in the SEM device. You can see in below pics the lug detached and prepared. SAMPLE OF KW PAM 382 CASE WITH THE LUG DETACHED AND PREPARED TO BE INTRODUCED IN THE SEM ELECTRON MICOSCOPE THE RESULTS In the figure below showed you can see the results of the chemical analysis extracted from the SEM Electron Microscope. The square marked in yellow is the chemical composition in Weight%, which is the composition we were looking for. CONCLUSIONS As we can see from above Figure the bronze of the sample KW PAM 382 studied has a chemical composition about as follows: Cu (Copper)- 93% Sn (Tin)- 6% Zn (Zinc)- 1% Therefore, KW bronze is not exactly a CuSn8 like gen, but it is very close to this material. Mainly we can state without doubts that KW bronze is a TRUE BRONZE (it is not at all a Brass, as many people have commented) I have knowledge about this matter because I have worked many years (many time ago) producing Bronzes and Brass and another alloys. KW bronze is actually a CuSn6Zn1 bronze. It is really very similar to CuSn8 and the colour and properties are almost identical to gen bronze. In below Figure you can see the differences between a gen bronze CuSn8 and the CuSn6Zn1 and KW bronze. As you can see differences are a little less content of SN, but a bit more of Zn (less than 1%). Differences between KW bronze and CuSn6Zn1 are almost non existent. Indeed both are the same material. In practice and bearing in mind the application in a watch case, we can say the materials are actually equivalents. In other words: We can expect from KW bronze the same properties and behaviour regarding appearance and patina creation that we will get from Gen bronze PAM 382 Besides, as you can see from the chemical analysis, KW bronze has no impurities. That means that this alloy is made from almost pure metals and using no recycling materials. Therefore KW bronze used in KW PAM 382 is a very good quality alloy. To get a better idea of above statements, you should know that we are using Stainless Steels for super reps much more different from the gen SS than the differences observed between CuSn8 and CuSn6Zn1. To illustrate this matter read my thread about Stainless Steels in watches: SS 316L vs. 316F vs. 904L- The final VERDICT- A technical study http://www.replica-w...ead.php?t=82263 As you can see in above thread the differences between SS 316L and 316F and mainly with SS 904L used by Rolex are way bigger than differences found between CuSn8 and CuSn8Zn1. See below figure where the differences of three SS are showed and compare these differences with the bronzes table differences. Despite above showed differences of composition, we are using SS 316L in some watches made of SS 316F and vice versa. And we are always using either PAM 316L or PAM 316F to make the super reps of Rolex, which the gens are made of a very different SS 904L as you can see in above table. Being the KW sample unfinished and not machined, polished or brushed I was not able to make a reliable comparison between the KW sample and the bronze of my KK PAM 382 V1 from May 2014. But cleaning and brushing a little the surface of the sample, and using my experience in these alloys, I would say that my KW PAM 382 V1 and the sample are made form the same material (it is almost impossible to get a reliable comparison by pics, because some pics seem identical and other different, just a direct visual comparison can show the materials are very close in appearance) Unfortunately we have not the same analysis of ZFac bronze. Some people is saying, and some reviewers and reviews (remember NCcheff reviews http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=234018 & http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php?t=187564 ) that ZFac material is more reddish than KW bronze. From the pics I have seen, I have to agree with these observations. That just means that ZFac material, most likely, has higher content of Copper (Cu) and less Tin (Sn) and other elements, what goes against the quality and properties of the bronze alloy and detaches Zfac bronze from the gen. But that is just a speculation from pics and comments. Anyway, forget the colour on the pics, the false comparisons, the patinas, the speculations… Now we know what we are actually getting when we buy a KW PAM 382: a true bronze CuSn6Zn1 of very high quality, from which we can expect the same colour, properties and behaviour than a gen CuSn8 bronze ************************************************* I would like taking this opportunity to say many thanks to KW’s owner Mehmet for being so kind (and even brave, why not to say it) sending me the sample of the KW case to make the analysis, and congratulations to KW for the good results of this chemical analysis.

Never to my knowledge.

Does my stuff, top shelf!

Great find trooper!

Of course.............

Ok guys e maill gone and I am leaving this up as Toro responded quickly and got some great reviews all in all a good thread for him.

Quite right Ken thought that was understood.

Guys I will contact him in regard but I do not see Perfect Clones on our list , did I miss something?

Well guys unlike the other boards we are not nuke happy. A little common sense goes a long way, see a sales post tags not right or missing just do not buy till they get them up. I think you have seen me post in a sales thread "hey ( insert name) get a tagged pic up. ". No drama no power trip just get it posted, no one should be buying till up, aka common sense. I have not run across guys doing it multiple times once they get the hang of how to do it right, if they did I would get more aggressive. Over the years I have seen times of high problems then die down and come back again it is the way of things. ( I did our sales board security long before I was a mod) I surely do not want to be a nuke , ban happy place like some of the other boards and hold myself to a very high burden of proof before blacklisting someone. We are the big boys so no need to run around jumping member with bans and gulags, penalty boxes, time out whatever. If the worse we have is a lot of missing tags at times well so be it that is the price of freedom. I will be the first to admit that sometimes worse things happen and they will, there is no such thing as absolute safety. So everyone must choose there comfort level, draconian control with less risk ( perceived less risk IMHO) or one where you have more freedom and rely on your own wits to guide your actions in regard to safety. I happen to think you guys can handle yourselves well that is why I am here, I like to hang out with smart people.

Guys as you read above you wll see Astonjenks as well as others I know of here only take PP gift, you see he got burnt by a buyer useing PP. Does that contradict my advise no, look at it this way Aston may limit his scope of buyers but prefers this method as he got taken for some serious cash in the past. For myself I send Aston gift payments without a second thought others might not, it's about freedom to make your own choices here.