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Hey Sneed12, I have been through what you are going through. Mike has built me two watches with his amazing Yuki/Rolex 3185 hybrid. Now here is the sucky news. No one make anything that is even close to fitting these movement. I have spoke to Phong and he would make me a 16710 case but I had to buy 10 at a time. They were 1400 each or 1100 for just the midcase. I wasn't looking to spend $11,000 or $14,000 so I kept looking on Ebay until I found a real 16700 case. It cost me $1800 but It was worth every penny. Now I have an amazing build. Mike did that too. He is my advisor so I listen to him and we made it a 16710 coke. It came out incredible and I wear it all the time. I actually sold my ceramic GMT that he made me a while ago. I have searched the internet and spoke to Phong, Yuki, BK, TC and no one has a case that fits a GMT 3075, 3175, 3185. Sorry. I am wearing the 16710 today. It is all Rolex but the movement. The movement is a Rolex/Yuki hybrid 3185 (Misiekped special). It is a yuki 3135 with a bunch of pieces that Mike changes to real rolex parts. I will attach a picture of the parts. I don't know if they have changed but that was a pic Mike had sent me once of what was replaced to real rolex. Then he gets all the Rolex parts to make the 3135 into a 3185. I take it the extra step and change the winding gear and bridge and all the automatic winding gears and bridge along with the oscillating rotor. That is just me. You don't have too although I am told now that the Yuki reversing wheels are going bad. So After all that the watch is incredible and keeps COSC time. Good luck and if you find something please message me and if I find something I will let you know.

Welcome. Did you go down to Canal street in NYC? Those are the $100 reps. Have a great time here its great.

My heart just stopped!!!! Not kidding. That watch would be over $50,000 if it was all together so the dial and hands I would say $4000 easy maybe more. Looking on Ebay just the hands are $1500 brother.

That is a wicked! Wear in good health. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Ok. Good Luck.

Sorry put this in wrong post.. LOL

Send him an email. From what I hear he is an OK guy to talk to. He just doesn't do anything with out a large profit margin. So expect to pay. I will give you the stem for free just PM me your address.

No. Once you compromise the crown off the clutch it will "slip". That is when you turn and feel that clicking. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Someone has to have a broken Patek here. The crown is not movement type. It is tube typed though so it would have to be able to be screwed into the proper tube. I would try to contact the authorized seller that you got the watch from. He might be able to sell you just the proper crown. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That is a clutch system in the crown. It is destroyed. When you push the crown in the clutch releases so you don't put pressure on the stem. You need a new crown. Don't risk it. I have tons of Rolex. I don't own any AP's sorry. What I might have is a stem for you though. Have to look or worst case I can order some for you on Startime.

The replacement is a 7750 stem. The way to have gotten out the stem is soaking it ammonia for weeks. The chemical reaction would have eaten the material the stem is made of. There is a watch makers chemical that works faster. I forgot the name but that is why the stem material is so flimsy. The crown would have been find and the chemical would have eaten the steam out of there. It take a long time with ammonia but still works.

Yep I do.

Thanks. Brother. I almost offered you my mint 1665 dial for it!

Mike. I will buy that. No raffle. I will give you the other two watches that are coming the Ap and the Pam. Someone told me the AP is worth almost 700. That was a catch and a half. But I will give you cash on top. You can put them in an raffle. PLEASE. Don't raffle this one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I would never trash Seiko, Citizen, or any watch company. They all have great movements. My point was, they spent all this advertising how they built this new movement from the base up and spent all this money and said it was an in house movement turning out to be a movement made by Seiko dressed up by Tag. I am not a fan. You know me Mike. A sports Rolex all day long. Love them. In fact I think someone broke in last night and stole your GMT!!!!! LOL. Kidding. By the way everyone, Mike has a GMT to die for.

Mike. The newest movement they have is great. But it is made by seiko dresses up to be a tag. When the owner of tag was called out on it he had to come clean. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk They also they make ok beater watches for divers. They use Swiss ETA Quartz. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Couldn't agree more.

Phong is in the US. I had a 16610 case made by him. There was an issue and he had me mail it back to him with the band and he fixed everything and gave me a new case with a new number matching my movement. He is amazing IMO. Pricey but amazing. I am about to pull the trigger on a 1665 case. I sent him pics of the Gen dial I brought and he offered me a deal and a half which covers everything but the movement and band. I just need to recover from all the other builds I have going on.

That case could be made in a million places. If your looking for bezels to fit you have to measure and even then there is no guarantee. You might have to mod by sanding a little. A TC bezel assembly fits Gen spec case as would star time assembly. Before you worry about what bezel fits worry about how your crystal is going to fit. To me this is NOT a 16610 case, so don't waist your money on TC or ST stuff. I would most likely go for the lower end spectrum watches. I may have a few. They are held on by a small wire.and the crystal is pressed into a very small gasket. It might be worth not using this and go for a TC or ST case to start. Good luck.

Yes. That is exactly how they do it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Funny thing. My friend from works Omega crapped out on him last week. It started to lose time, about 5 mins a day and I told him it needed service. Then the other day no movement.

Looks like a nicely made watch. Very early explorer dial.

Where did you get a deep sea case or is it a gen case and you replaced the movement? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

OCCB stands for Organized Crime Control Bureau in the NYPD. In 1996 I went there as a detective and that was my first Email. It was occb@aol.com. Then MSN. Now its occb2@me.com. LOL. Every TC watch I have owned is water proof from the second I get it. He can't guarantee it because someone can leave the crown open and water will get in but I have never had an issue with a TC watch and water. That being said. What would I change on a TC 16610. I have owned 3 of them. First one was the first gen 16610. I changed the crystal and the tube and crown. That was it. By brother in law still has that watch and it runs like a champ. That had a gen 2824. The watch is beautiful and it is water proof. I know because he has been diving with me and has worn it. Now the next one was another gen of the 16610. That one I did the same. Change the crystal and crown and tube. TC crowns use to be a bit bowed in the front where a rolex crown is flat. The crystal..... nothing is better than a gen crystal. The correct magnification. It is beautiful. I sold that watch because I got the 16610 LV. I fell in love with the LV. Large Lum marks, beautiful green insert. I kept going to that watch. I had a gen 16613 and a bunch of other watches but for some reason I wore the LV all the time. So came time to upgrade. I started with a big job. I wanted to build the perfect 16610. It is a big story in RWI. In doing so I needed a case and the LV was the only one that I had that would fit a Rolex movement. I brought what I thought was a Phong case here on RWG. I had a real rolex 3135. Real bracelet, dial, bezel assembly and insert....everything. Only thing I didn't have was the case. I had my watch maker working on that. So he sends me a message that the case isn't a Phong and it won't hold the 3135 and that the bezel assembly isn't real either. So I end up ordering another TC case and bezel assembly from TC direct. So in the mean time I send him my LV to use that case to put all the real stuff on. He did and that watch was beautiful. The new TC case comes in and it is not good. The lugs are all off and some are small and other are to fat. So I spend the money and oder a Phong case Directly from Phong and put all the LV stuff back in the LV. So now I end up with two beautiful watches. 1)16610 completely real except the case being a phong case. Every gasket, part real. That is an unbelievable watch. 2)TC16610 Yuki/Rolex hybrid. It is the first generation TC case, beautiful. Gen Crystal, gen date wheel, yuki movement with a hell of a lot of Rolex parts, gen band, tube and crown. Gen hands. I used the TC LV dial. It to me is one of the most Gen dials TC has ever made. Only problem I have with that watch is that the LV insert keeps popping off. So I bought a new one for an arm and a leg. It wouldn't fit the TC bezel. I sanded it a little and it fit but continued to fall out. So I used my press like a dumb ass and cracked my crystal. So I changed my crystal with a gen LEC and put in a Star time bezel in with a gen LN insert. So far so good. I plan on getting the LV insert again and trying it with the Star time bezel and I hope it works. Anyway. I can talk watches, Porsches, and Scuba diving all day long. So good luck. I'm alway around if you have questions. Stay safe.

Hi, A few things. A yuki 3135 is around $340 dollars. So if you need parts for a yuki you don't need to go gen to fix it. Buy another yuki. A Gen parts are very expensive and one part could cost you the price of a a Yuki movement. Yes you need to service it the day you get it. Yes there are a few parts that equal to around $300 dollars that you should change just because those parts are weak on the Yuki. I will post a pic of them. From memory it was the date changing gears, the min, hour pinions, winding gears and seconds train wheel. I would also do to auto winding gears in the back but not a must do. Understand that all the talk of TC 2824 and the Elabore grade...... It's a ETA clone. I can order you a brand new ETA 2824 from start time for $160 dollars. That is new gen ETA. TC makes a great watch. I have owned 3. I can tell you that they are great as is. You don't have to change anything. But you hand that watch to me. I can by just adjusting the time tell you that it is fake. But so is my watch that has the Yuki in it. Difference is that a Yuki, winds and adjust just like a 3135. All Gen parts fit a Yuki. Not a TC. You can get gen hands, date wheel, dial, even parts to dress up the Yuki. I did because I am a nut case. LOL. The back on a rolex is not clear so no one is going to see it so there is no need to change it. I would take your TC and either wear it as is and enjoy. Or if you want to have fun, get a yuki, source, gen hands, date wheel, dial, all which Misiekped who is on this forum can get and do for you. Have him replace the parts that wear easy on the Yuki, I would even get a gen crystal and Bezel insert. Have Misiekeped do it all for you and your watch will be a life long watch. It will behave and wind and adjust and run as a well oiled Rolex 16610 with a 3135. You could put that watch in the hands of any Rolex guy and he will not be able to tell that it is not real until he opens it. So the advantage to the Yuki, to me, is that it is a hell of a movement once it is cleaned oiled and serviced with some parts. At the end of the day though understand that with all the things to make the Yuki run well will cost you around $700 including the price of the movement where a clone ETA is $100 dollars. But your still $1000 less than a Gen 3135. Good thing is TC cases take 3135 with out modding. Robert Here are the parts that are changed on the YUKI for real rolex parts.

Oh plus for all you that want to do the Ceramic GMT. the Yuki 3135 can be built up to a Rolex 3185. I have it in my GMT. All the parts in my 3135 that Misiekped build up to make the Yuki weak that are replaced plus all real rolex parts to make make it a 3185. The movement is unbelievable. The other day at a restaurant I was talking to the owner who spotted my GMT and he said he had the new batman. I told him that my watch wasn't real. He looked at it and said I was lying. He said that the fakes don't have the correct hand stack. So he knew something about fakes. I told him that it was a fake. I told him I have a bunch of real rolex but this one is a fake. He asked if he could look at it. I gave it to him. He adjusted the hands and gmt and told me I was lying to him and just trying to get over on my wife. I then filled him in on the Yuki movement. I told him that everything on the watch was a clone, but the hands, dial, bezel assembly and insert, date wheel, crown and stem. Then I told him about the whole build from a yuki to a 3185. His jaw dropped. I do have to say that the 3185 is a pain in the ass to change the date. There is no quick date function. You have to put it on the second position on the stem and jump hour to hour over and over to change the date. So 24 clicks changes the date. Also Misiekped said you can go backwards but try to avoid it, just like the real movement. So after the restaurant owner was done playing with my watch I had to put it back to the right date and time. What would take me under a minute with a ETA 2836 took me about 2 mins with the Yuki/Rolex hybrid 3185. What I don't understand is why doesn't all the high end clone watch makers use the Yuki in their watches. That SA3135 is garbage and doesn't take real rolex parts like they say. My next build which I started already, is a yacht master. It is just costing a lot more $ than I want. I might just sell my TC yacht master and buy one. Really. It isn't cost effective. A gen dial is around $600 to $1000. Then Gen bezel and insert. The hands and date wheel. Crown, stem, tube, Crystal. I don't see it being cost effective when I can buy a used one for $5000. Any way. Buy yukis. Keep him in business. I might just buy 5 to keep in stock. Some people are saying that having to buy something new and have it serviced makes no sense. I have to tell you that in buying clones, I have had dead watches come brand new from Toro. I've had watches come and last a week and start to lose time. I've learned that all watches I buy, from people here on the forum to new from trusted dealers, I get them all serviced. So to me it is normal.