N.O (nitric oxide) bodybuilding

[Delicious]

Has any of our members experinced the so called N.O suppelement?

I want to give it a try but im not sure if it is "over-hyped" stuff or does it really work?

Ive tried (of course) normal whey protein combined with soy protein and L-glutamine ..it was good increased strength and better bloodflow

But i hvae never tried L-Ariginin or N.O

so if any one have any experince hen please share it here thanks

[By-Tor]

First... since you're talking about bodybuilding, I assume you have serious size in your mind... not some pretty model boy/metrosexual six pack abs with wimpy muscles.

Supplements (besides protein powder and anabolic steroids) are mostly just a complete waste of money. That's just imho.

If you want to train naturally and gain some size, reduce the training frequency, train big compound movements (squats, deads, etc.) eat & rest well and increase the intensity. Forget the supplement nonsense and read writings by Stuart McRobert, Dr. Ken Leistner, etc. 70% of the man's muscle mass is in lower back and legs. But besides of this fact, most men usually train only the remaining 30%. You will never develop big arms and maximize your upper body development without serious lower body training. Most new trainees also grossly overtrain and ignore their cortisol levels and never see much progress at all (after the initial 2-3 months growth burst is over).

If you want to gain some serious size (by bodybuilding standards) and simultaneously maintain a low body fat (with some vascularity) you still have to train the big movements and inject a needle in your arse. Sad but true.

Don't waste your money on useless shit. 99,9% of the hyped supplements are just that: complete and utterly useless expensive shit for gullible people who are looking for shortcuts. There are no shortcuts... you need to go through pain and suffering (and train the heavy big movements if you want to gain ANY size naturally.) And besides, these supplements scammers are selling their garbage with pictures of steroid-enchanced lifters.

I'm not an expert but I'm a ex-competitive powerlifter and someone who has lifted seriously for 20+ years. None of the competitors (that I knew... some were world class lifters) never used many legal supplements (just the basics... protein, multivitamin, omega fatty acids, etc.) It's mostly just about drugs and genetics... and one's ability to respond to anabolic androgenic drugs (among the elite).

Good luck.

[Nanuq]

If you want to gain some serious size (by bodybuilding standards) and simultaneously maintain a low body fat (with some vascularity) you have to train the big movements and inject a needle in your arse. Sad but true.

But be careful doing this, as the injections have been known to discolor the surrounding tissues. You WILL gain mass in the large muscle groups, but it will be orange.

[By-Tor]

Some of the potentially harmful stuff that these supplement companies are pushing will probably make your liver turn orange.

I'd much rather take a moderate testosterone cycle every year than use this month's "new and revolutionary" snake oil. At least then I'd know what stuff I'm dealing with.

[Agrippa]

Exactly what good does a vasodilating drug do in bodybuilding? Anyway, I don't know the first thing about training in general or bodybuilding in particular, but I do know that sustained, elevated levels of Nitric Oxide will cause direct tissue toxicity and in severe cases may result in systemic collapse of the vascular system. Or as it's sometimes called: death.

[hiker01]

Oh Gaaaaaaad! Another one of those! BT hit it on the mark! Guys, just go natural........heavy; rest! 20 mins cardio or less.....anything more will defeat your size gain!

My age, 3 days a week max.....1 day each major body part!

Can't wait for Lani's Opus on this!

[tenacious_b]

Hey. I am a big proponent of Nitric Oxide supplements. I have used 2 of them, Nitrix by BSN and Nitro ( the in store brand at Max Muscle). This is the only supplement that has ever given me any kind of performance and visible results. I first took Nitrix when it first came out, and after about 6 weeks on it, one of my non-gym buddies asked me if I was on steroids. I laughed and told him I wasn't and asked my he had asked, and he said that I had gotten noticibly bigger in the chest, shoulders, and arms. Took a while off from the gym due to a shoulder injury (on one of those damn perfect pushup lazy susan pieces of crap) and now am back at it. I have gone through two bottles of Nitro from Max Muscle, and while it does provide some results, they are not as pronounced as the BSN Nitrix.

Observations:

Nitrix

- have to take more pills

- pills harder to swallow

- company got in trouble for improperly labeling some products (not nitrix)

- better results

Nitro

- fewer pills in dose

- pills easier to swallow

- I like the company and the fact that I can go into the store

- results not as good as Nitrix

Both

- for best results and health concerns, drink plenty of water

- don'st stop using the product suddenly

- follow dosing and cycle instructions closely

- slept better at night, woke with less aches (presumably due to better circulation)

Edit to add results - concentrating on Nitrix here & these are just my personal observtions:

- post workout "pump" (engorged, hard muscles) lasted almost 24 hours

- faster recovery

- could use significantly more weight

- could do significantly more reps

- only thing that has every helped me get noticeable size gains. I don't think the supplement gave me the size itself, but allowed me to push more weight for more reps, and kept my head in the game because I was excited about being able to do more and as we all know, if your head is not in the game at the gym, you're not going to get what you want out of working out.

[By-Tor]

I gotta admit that I have never heard of this supplement. It's not impossible that the science could develop something that actually works. But if we look at the history, well.. there are many "revolutionary" supplements that were supposed to work. Most of the supplement stuff is just like the 31-jewel Swiss Rolex replicas... total scam directed at gullible and ignorant people.

Let's see what we've had in the past decades...

Liver tabs

Amino acid pills (bunch of shit. I don't even want to go there...)

Creatine (only supplement that actually gave some results but they were temporary and minimal)

etc.

Building a muscle is about maximizing the anabolic effects in your body (and minimizing the catabolic) while increasing the protein synthetis and reducing/keeping the cortisol levels at minimum. If some supplement enchaces this process, it will probably work. And that's why anabolic, androgenic steroids work. I have no idea how nitric oxide would help there but hey... I'm not a doctor or a scientist... I'm just skeptical.

[kdx_time]

NO...it does give you some insane pumps in the gym (I suppose from the vasodilating effects) but versus NOT taking it?

I have to admit, I'm only taking it when I remember to because the mix I take (NO-XPLODE) also has stimulants in it that helps kick my ass into gear much like the old "Ultimate Orange" did back in the days (except no Ephedrine derived substances)

I will say this much, I also don't mind the other side effect of NO-XPLODE (and other Arginine based supps)...the stuff gives me wicked BONERS the rest of the day!

[Delicious]

Thanks for some good and informative replies :-)

i agree with by-tor in some points

the reason i started too look into the supplement world is

1. that i think i need some thing more than just whey/soy protein in my diet

2. im not interested in steroids

About glutamine i tried it by an "accident" im working in a medical firm and i had the chance to try 99,9% pure l-glutamine

i tried it AND i thunk it worked BUT im also afraid that MAYbe it had an psycological effect on me, if u guys know what i mean.. because o tried to find information about L-glutamine and it is not that fantastic wonder supplement that i felt it was..

And during my search for info on glutamine i fond out that everybody is talking or maybe "hyping" about the N.O supplements

i thougt maybe some of our members have tried it and wanna share there experince with other members..

below Ive pasted some info i found on a website where it is explained how N.O works .. dont know if it is reliable info .. judge your self :

What Is Nitric Oxide?

Nitric oxide (also known as "NO") is a gas that functions as a signaling molecule (neurotransmitter) telling your body to make blood vessels relax and widen.

What Does Nitric Oxide Do?

NO gives more blood to organs when needed. When your arms need more blood supply for movement or for warmth, for example, the brain signals the blood vessels in the arms to release NO.

After a big meal, NO sends more blood to your stomach to help you digest the food. It controls blood pressure, giving more blood when you exercise, and reducing the flow of blood when our body is at rest.

NO is also responsible for the relaxation of blood vessels in the penis, causing the blood to pool which produces an erection. The anti-impotence drugs Viagra

[Neuuubeh]

Let's see what we've had in the past decades...

Liver tabs

Amino acid pills (bunch of [censored]. I don't even want to go there...)

Creatine (only supplement that actually gave some results but they were temporary and minimal)

Well I personally enjoyed (havent been in a gym for like 2 years, too friggin tired all the time to do anything..) all three -a lthough creatine did nothing to me for some reason, must be one of those 10%. One has to realize liver tabs and amino acid pills are simply food tho.. Noone expects the same results from 1kg of these compared with a few pills or a vial of Nandrolone, Dianabol, Testosterone or similar.

Depends on what ones goals are

Edited November 30, 2009 by Neuuubeh

[heavyarms]

If you are going to spend the money on a supplement like N.O. you might want to look into a product called TREN Xtreme. It is another one of those pro-hormone products that actually works for a lot of people. It is getting hard to find and stay away from it if you are an athlete being tested.

[fakemaster]

That stuff'll kill you.

[Dani]

Been mod on most of the BB/steroid boards based in the US, but ill keep it simple my answer.

Some supplements can give you an edge if only psychological still it helps and some really give you a edge in terms of energy/pump..Good diet,train correct,use protein if all this is in order then you can try lets say No Explode or V12..

But to gain size and fast their is only one option,

Anabolic steroids or peptides like hgh,igf-l3 and other new ones out their..

Same goes to burn fat,

A combo of lets say T3,Yohimbine and Clenbuterol will work wonders..

Many people i know in the age of 30-45 use testosterone therapy or hgh on a daily basis.

[MasterOfPuppets]

Been lifting weights for almost 2 years, gained some good results but not as one would expect because i've been on 'n off more than once

I've been wanting to try N.O Explode and Nitrix, some of my friends had mad a*s gains from them, so ill be starting my cycle within a month or so

My question is about another product called H-drol by "Competitive Edge Labs", some people say its "Magic" in a bottle, since it helps gain lean dry muscle, with little to no water retention, but it also needs some serious PCT afterwards

What do u guys think, has anyone tried it before? im thinkin about cycling it next summer

Cheers

[fcaap_dan]

I tried them, didn't feel any different, and they really upset my stomach.

I react well to yohimbine though. That stuff makes me feel like I could knock down a wall.

[Grim]

gotta agree with By-Tor, squat, deadlifts, and power cleans and a proper diet will def give you size and strength.

One supplement that i would use again is amino acids BCAA. I saw results with using that and whey protein and proper diet..working out 3 days a week going heavy with the lifts mentioned

good luck to you with which ever route you chose.

-Grim

[Samurai]

How come Lani hasn't commented on this yet?

[fakemaster]

How come I never see any pics?

[nikki6]

By-Tor, you talk about Creatine, have you seen the ad for the Force-Max Acai supplement and another one that has just went right out of my head, it's basically a Ph balanced creatine suppliment. On the outside, perfect, but you see all these ads for Acai supps everywhere, hell Dr Phil and Oprah take them, or endorse them anyways!!

My point though, what is your thinking to a Ph balanced creatine supplement?

Supposedly the guys in 300 took it to try and build lean muscle, or, some pretty model boy/metrosexual six pack abs with wimpy muscles, was how I think you scucinctly put it!! lol

I'm real skinny, but use a total core and Perfect (lazy susan) pushups, those 2 for the reasons that my back has been broken in 4 places, mainly in my thorasics region and I'm functionally paralysed down oneside. Trust me, lifting weights when you really don't know what your right arm is doing is NOT what you're after!! lol. I just want to strengthen my core for stability of broken bits and try and stop my arm from wasting away, I have killer tattoo sleeves that require at least a bit of muscle to pull off!! lol. But although, I'm wicked unhealthy, built like the thick end of a potatoe chip and am blind and paralysed, I try!! I also have several close friends who build, like seriously build, to compete. and, sadly, as By-Tor said, if you wanna get big you gotta jab your arse and jab into muscle groups, ie, arms to make em bigger for a few days! (WTF?!?!) But it's their thing and they don't give me too hard a time for smoking like a chimney and drinking more than a fairly large body of armed forces, so it goes.

But one thing that was going on for a while that really did scare me, was when the war in Bosnia and surrounding areas was going on, there was harvesting of some kind of anabolic or steroidal liquid from dead soldiers!? Now this stuff was coming over here, it was unscreened in vials and guys were falling over themselves to get at it!!? One of my best friends dealt GHB to his training buddies, I understand it helps with training harder, which was cool until it was labled as a daterape drug and he pulled back from it, but he got a trial of this stuff in, like 40 vials or something, I couldn't believe he was actually thinking of trying it!? This is a seriously intelligent guy, has his own business etc and he was actually considering putting this shite in his body?! Now I ain't no saint, but in all my drunken debauchery I have never gone so far as to put that kind of bodily fluid into myself!! I don't know if this was a local thing to the UK or even Scotland, have any of you guys come up against this?! Is it really worth that kind of risk just to be that bit bigger?!

Apologies, I know the last part was off topic, but I kinda wanted to see what you guys thought and I'm interested in the views of the creatine suppliment!

From a lazy susan, pretty model boy/metrosexual six pack abs with wimpy muscles.

Sixx

[fcaap_dan]

fancy creatines are a waste of money.

after nearly 15 of studies nothing has been shown to be more effective than quality creatine monohydrate. Affordable and works the best. Thousands of peer reviewed studies show that.

[Dreadnought]

I've taken most of the Nitric supplements, except for NOXplode. That's the only one.

However, I've taken NaNOX9, Nano Vapor, as well as Black Powder... and in that order, you'll find it from weakest to strongest: NOXplode, NaNOX9, Nano Vapor, Black Powder (my favorite!). It dialates your blood vessels to enhance blood flow to the muscles that you're working. It's good to stack this with multivitamins and/or creatine, but in no way shape or form should you use any type of fat burner supplement with this. For that matter, straight out AVOID stimulants, as that will lead to a bad/unnatural heart rate which could cause several other problems (1 can of Monster + Black Powder = possible cardiac arrest).

You can get some GREAT pumps out of this...but you have to use it in a cyclic rate, i.e.: stacking for a certain amount of time (weeks) and resting (week, end of cycle). This isn't something where if you're just starting lifting you go ahead and pick up and use, it's something for when you plateau. Don't use this for aerobic exercise, you'll only get sick/nauseous (running, swimming, football, etc).

I noticed a significant increase in muscle endurance and strength using nitric supplements than I did without, and that'll happen way more frequently if you don't start out lifting naturally (no supplements, just a good diet, protein shakes and a multivitamin). I'd say after a month or two of lifting naturally, go ahead and start stacking; but don't go straight for all these "high end" supplements. Keep it simple, keep it hard. The harder, the better gains you get (provided you don't overtrain or injure yourself).

Edited December 29, 2009 by Dreadnought

[bmedude]

if you want to try a nitrous oxide supplement, try White Flood. Probably one of the best on the market. My personal preference for a pre-workout cocktail is "Jack 3D" by USP labs.

[DrTime]

I must say, I am shocked by some of the replies in this thread, almost skipped it because I am so sick of all the propaganda we are fed on this topic. Thank you to By-Tor and Dani for your honesty. It takes courage to speak the truth to people who have spent most of their lives being indoctrinated by the media into the belief that AAS use is harmful to the body.

I know several people who have been taking AAS for years and are in perfect health, and I am not talking looks, but liver, heart, etc, as confirmed with regular checks via bloodwork, etc., from their MD's.

The truth is that most supplements you can go into places and buy are nearly worthless and provide almost no long-term strength or size benefits. Many are actually HARMFUL to your overall health. You take 2 identical individuals and give one protein powder and test-e and the other any supplements he wants, have them train and eat exactly the same and the result would be that after 10 weeks, the one taking AAS would be healthier, have better liver values, and oh yeah, be in better shape.

[highoeyazmuhudee]

body building takes time, patience, discipline, and dedication. hour - two hours a day 4-6 days a week with a bench and vigorous cardio and you'll see serious results