danielv2000 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I just read this short but interesting post. http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=204595 Freddy, I think if they saw yours, they would fall off their chairs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Yeah Freddy, toss up the "raising the bar" photo. They'll fall over dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 There's one in the "American Pan AM Museum". It's right next to the "Something for you... Something for my crews" letter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I am tempted, but, since I am not a member there, anything I post will attract alot of suspicion. Especially, watches like these. On the other hand, when a known member on another site re-posts my pics, neither the poster nor my pics get challenged. Anyone here a member there? And, when asked where the pics came from, just say they came up in a google search. That way, they will not have anyone to cross-examine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexaddict Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Lot of specialists have a doubt about the reality of this PanAm story and its hard to prove this watch existance. I interesting links exist but its in French About watch in equipment, in France for exemple the chronograph Dodane is used in AF, old Air France pilots from the B727 division have Sinn watches. But no Dodane or Sinn claim Air France and the French Air Force pilots use these watches as essential tool watches... The only proved "aeronautical" story and certified by the Rolex company is the 1675 with the blue insert for Italian, Peruvian and Emirates Air Forces You should be also careful when using members pics on gen watch forums as most of the time a right clic and a clic on "image propriety" shows an hosting adress and a name. The hosting account is dependant of an email adress, then an IP...etc Prudence with rep pics on gen forums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I would never dare re-post pictures of franken watches there. I actually think members at VRF are very knowledgeable about the tiniest little details of watches. Over at TRF, most of the posts are just a bunch of high-fives on new purchases but the discussions on VRF tend to be about little details that I find are often discussed here. It's quite funny that someone this week asked about a method for "fading" inserts. It didn't take long for that thread to be immediately halted given the premium some folks pay for a "ghost" insert or something that looks like it's been through a blender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 You should be also careful when using members pics on gen watch forums as most of the time a right clic and a clic on "image propriety" shows an hosting adress and a name. The hosting account is dependant of an email adress, then an IP...etc Prudence with rep pics on gen forums In general, I agree, which is why I would never post my pics in gen forums. But a number of my pics have been found (via google) & reposted (as gens) on gen forums by gen forum members, many of whom then ooh & ahh over their 'favorite' pics. There are a number of threads here on RWG that discuss this (usually citing the fact that my pics were reposted without my permission & that was 1 of the reasons I began watermarking my pics). The 2 pics I posted a few posts above this 1 are located in a user folder on a privately hosted server, so there is little usable info that anyone can get from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 In general, I agree, which is why I would never post my pics in gen forums. But a number of my pics have been found (via google) & reposted (as gens) on gen forums by gen forum members, many of whom then ooh & ahh over their 'favorite' pics. There are a number of threads here on RWG that discuss this (usually citing the fact that my pics were reposted without my permission & that was 1 of the reasons I began watermarking my pics). The 2 pics I posted a few posts above this 1 are located in a user folder on a privately hosted server, so there is little usable info that anyone can get from them. I never normally approve of reps being posted on gen boards, but in this instance, I would love to see their reaction to your albino, just because I'm bloody-minded like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I'm a member over there... want me to toss it out there as a Google search nugget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Sure, but be prepared for the Spanish Inquisition. Recently, there was a similar thread (now closed) here. Let the games begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I better not.... it's watermarked with "FREDDY333" and a google search for that reveals a bunch of links back to here, including pics of your Phase-1 6542. But here's another great photo from an old By-Tor thread where someone put an EXP-II dial into a 16750: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplracer Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 That would be interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I better not.... it's watermarked with "FREDDY333" and a google search for that reveals a bunch of links back to here, including pics of your Phase-1 6542. Good point. I just changed the watermarks on the 2 pics above, so they should be safe to post. But here's another great photo from an old By-Tor thread where someone put an EXP-II dial into a 16750: Are you sure you have the right pic? That looks like a white 6542. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Yes, that's the white 6542, it was in the thread about makine a "white" GMT from an EXPII and a 16750. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Nanuq - I see you posted the GMT. You should post the other pic as well since it lends credibility to the GMT (guilt by association). Should be a very interesting thread (which, as usual, will no doubt branch off into other fora). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Oh boy! You guys sure like to stir the pot! I can't wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Nanuq - If anyone recognizes the pics, you might offer this link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Looks like I should have spoken sooner. Is 'conrail' a member here (he inquired if the pics belong to 'fredy', then removed my name & changed his question 2-3 times..........so far)? This exercise may turn out to be useful in outing some meddlesome double-agents. These pics are only a few days old, so they could not have appeared in any previous threads anywhere but (a few days ago) here. Therefore, comments about previous sightings should be considered suspect & coming from likely double agents (RWG members who pretend to be outraged gen owners on gen fora ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplracer Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 double agents haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I am a member over there as well. It was funny when Nanuq posted his photoshopped "33" date GMT on TRF. It took, like 6 posts for people to realize it was 'shopped, and not a "dual wheel". LOL On a side rant: Timezone and VRF really need new forum software, I don't go there anymore because I hate the threaded old school forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I am a member over there as well. It was funny when Nanuq posted his photoshopped "33" date GMT on TRF. It took, like 6 posts for people to realize it was 'shopped, and not a "dual wheel". LOL Yeah, and I had people agreeing with me that it was an extremely rare "dual date" 1675 with parallel date wheels. I mean come on, people... use your brains. There is no such thing as a "dual date". It's like these people are afraid of failing to adequately worship their watches or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 I have been monitoring the thread for the past hour &, based on the dozen or so members who keep coming back to the thread, I would wager that the jury is still very much out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a shame that that comment was made so early, it will certainly stop the peanut gallery doing the usual 'nice piece' comments without paying further attention, but still all good entertainment, and it'll be interesting to see what comments are made on the pieces themselves, or if it'll just be the usual knee-jerk 'fakes are crap, we are teh aweseome!' circle jerking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyB Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 Looks like I should have spoken sooner. Is 'conrail' a member here (he inquired if the pics belong to 'fredy', then removed my name & changed his question 2-3 times..........so far)? This exercise may turn out to be useful in outing some meddlesome double-agents. These pics are only a few days old, so they could not have appeared in any previous threads anywhere but (a few days ago) here. Therefore, comments about previous sightings should be considered suspect & coming from likely double agents (RWG members who pretend to be outraged gen owners on gen fora ). Maybe the rail shot is a give-a-way if you've posted one before. There is no way anyone can tell that the 6542 isn't genuine because most of it is genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 22, 2011 Report Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a shame that that comment was made so early, it will certainly stop the peanut gallery doing the usual 'nice piece' comments without paying further attention, but still all good entertainment, and it'll be interesting to see what comments are made on the pieces themselves, or if it'll just be the usual knee-jerk 'fakes are crap, we are teh aweseome!' circle jerking There are too many gen details in those pics for a knowledgeable collector to dismiss everything, which is why I suspect the 1st responder is more of a novice. Certainly, if I saw those 2 pics, the 1st thing I would do is look at the small details (which is where reps/frankens nearly always fall flat). How many reps/frankens have you seen of a Turn-O-Graph Deluxe? How many folded-link jubilee bracelets? How many riveted gold Oyster rep bracelets with the correct polished center links (matte edge links) & dents (that do not reveal the underlying base metal) have you seen? How many DJ Mystery dials? etc. etc. With those types of details, I would certainly call the GMT a gen (which it mostly is). Maybe the rail shot is a give-a-way if you've posted one before. No. I do not have a rail dial & I am not a member (never posted anything there). There is no way anyone can tell that the 6542 isn't genuine because most of it is genuine. Yeah, that is my thinking. Especially, since (with the exception of that brilliantly conceived/executed insert that would fool me under the right circumstances - like being shown with other gens) the '42 IS all gen. So anyone, like conrail (who has modified his comments for at least the 6th time - I think he may be starting to question his own claims now), who dismisses the GMT as a 'franken/fantasy/replica piece' without citing specific problems with the watch (there really aren't any), is revealing his naivete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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