paneraiguy Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Anyone else worried about about these proposed Internet laws, if these go ahead do you think they will affect the dealers sites, because of copyright issues etc??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Don't worry, they won't get approved. Lot's of folks today have sent protest letters to congress and some of them have already backed out. These parasites that run our legislative don't do much research on what they are signing. It's a mob mentality. Since nobody was complaining they were going ahead with this stupid law (great idea having the US government messing with DNS tables). Now that their voters are rebelling against them, most will back down. The only ones left will be ones paid directly by the media lobbies. And IF for some miracle they eventually pass this (which I doubt they will), all we need to do is to get the IP address of the dealers' sites and add to our personal routing tables. No biggie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 At the moment it looks unlikely to go through, but there is good reason to be concerned about such initiatives. The current proposal is intended to protect against illegal downloads, but experience shows that laws created for one purpose in the US frequently gets used for a different one. A specific example is the extradition agreement with the UK which was created to protect against terrorism. With this in hand the US can demand anybody to be extradited from the UK without any proof that the person in case has commited any crimes under UK law. Interestingly the same does not apply if the UK wants someone from the US. This has since been used for all sorts of other things such as financial crime, hacking and very recently a portal for file sharing. I would expect that any such law would be used - or be attempted to be used - to close down sites like RWG and crimimally procecute anyone responsible for the running of the site. So let's just hope that Obama and not Rupert Murdoch wins this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eton Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Oy vey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 As above I think common sense will win out. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 As above I think common sense will win out. I don't know, Ken. It's now legal for the US military to seize and hold US citizens indefinitely without charge. I wouldn't mind seeing everyone who worked on that law charged with treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Good point J but that one is a result from the 9-11 fallout. Can't believe selling a fake Rolex can compete with that. Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gran Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Now Gore is angry..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 ... And IF for some miracle they eventually pass this (which I doubt they will), all we need to do is to get the IP address of the dealers' sites and add to our personal routing tables. No biggie. Yup, anyone else remember adding entries to their hosts file. That is why this proposed legislation (SOPA/PIPA) granting DNS blackholes is doomed to fail. IP addresses and hosts to the rescue IF it ever did go thru. Rouge DNS servers located outside the USA to the rescue as well. But hey, remember "Corporations are People" now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain swoop Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 I don't know, Ken. It's now legal for the US military to seize and hold US citizens indefinitely without charge. I wouldn't mind seeing everyone who worked on that law charged with treason. No it isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted January 18, 2012 Report Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yup, anyone else remember adding entries to their hosts file. That is why this proposed legislation (SOPA/PIPA) granting DNS blackholes is doomed to fail. IP addresses and hosts to the rescue IF it ever did go thru. Rouge DNS servers located outside the USA to the rescue as well. But hey, remember "Corporations are People" now. yep, the US government won't be able to regulate DNS host outside of the US. In fact I can see a booming industry of companies offering "regulation free" DNS and mining that data to sell to others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 As above I think common sense will win out. Ken common sense was lost when they decided to put sodium fluoride in water supply's in 50's and people are still ok whit it its no common sense in people any more, states / powers can get their things in ways we cant comprehend. all laws that restricts what a law abiding citizen can do that does not harm others are a sign of a defunct society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 No it isn't. citation needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar1 Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Better not go through...I'll crack up if they take away my s-c-o-r-p blueray rips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneraiguy Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Yep the US have their own rules, no offence guys, I remember I sent a Gen GMT Master to the States late 1999 and I didnt know that Rolex had a trademark importing thing going on with the US Govt, they seized my Gen Rolex and it took 8 weeks to get it back with Rolex lawyers after i told them it was a gift and I didnt SELL it to this person, I learnt from that lesson and never ship now to the states the Gen article, apartentley this is the only country with this in place. I can understand protecting your Brand, but come on, that much power is crazy. Same thing happening with this internet thing I guess...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain swoop Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 There are various companies that protect sales in different countries by prohibiting import of their products from elsewhere. It doesn't just happen in the USA. France have upheld similar 'grey' import bans and so have a few other European countries, Even though it is against the 'Free Market' It was decided by the European Court that it doesn't go against the rules about free markets and restriction of trade crazy as it may seem. In the UK you can't watch English Premier League Football if you get it from any source other than Sky, they have sole rights to live transmission in the UK. even though you can get (for example) a sat reciever that will pick up the Greek signal if you use it to watch the live football they will prosecute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneraiguy Posted January 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 Thanks Captain, I didn't know that, cheers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain swoop Posted January 19, 2012 Report Share Posted January 19, 2012 In Europe perfume, watches etc are all subject to the same laws to a greater or lesser degree depending on the country. In most of them it's a Civil thing and the companies Lawyers would take you to court for damages and seizure of the goods if you tried to import them. In the UK there is only the SKy TV thing I can think of and even that is the 'Commercial' contract users, places like Pubs where they have to purchase the expensive licnse for public viewings. There's no way a home user could be traced but if a Pub or Club starts offering Live Football and they haven't got a license from Sky they will clobber them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Even though it is against the 'Free Market' It was decided by the European Court that it doesn't go against the rules about free markets and restriction of trade crazy as it may seem. In the UK you can't watch English Premier League Football if you get it from any source other than Sky, they have sole rights to live transmission in the UK. even though you can get (for example) a sat reciever that will pick up the Greek signal if you use it to watch the live football they will prosecute. In fact, that is not the case. They tried, but the case went against Sky: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2045363/Premier-League-TV-rights-ruling-lowdown-decision.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 No it isn't. http://www.guardian....detention-obama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I'm sure the pedophiles, terrorists and the kiddy porn industry are pleased to see all this attention drawn towards copyright issues on the Internet. I was thinking about immigrating from this rotten country I'm in. Now I'm not sure that's enough. If this goes through I'm starting my own Internet in the Arctic region somewhere. Basterds! Filled up wifeys saab today at only $170. I've just about had it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I'm sure the pedophiles, terrorists and the kiddy porn industry are pleased to see all this attention drawn towards copyright issues on the Internet. I was thinking about immigrating from this rotten country I'm in. Now I'm not sure that's enough. If this goes through I'm starting my own Internet in the Arctic region somewhere. Basterds! Filled up wifeys saab today at only $170. I've just about had it $170.00...holly shi t and I complain when I spend around $60.00 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 $170.00...holly shi t and I complain when I spend around $60.00 And the cheapest Ford Focus costs $38k here. Shame on you for complaining about vehicle costs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 And the cheapest Ford Focus costs $38k here. Shame on you for complaining about vehicle costs Here we can get a loaded Focus for around $25.500...and thats the totally loaded titanium edition with every available option Thats just to dam expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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