dieselpower Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Hello to all, I have not been around these parts for ages. Sorry. Things have moved on in the rep world and I am now trying to catch up. I have a 6263 build underway will show pics when I get it back. I need a repair on my modded 1665. Will report when fixed. Anyway to get to the point of my thread: I have been considering gathering parts for a sub. I have decided on either a 5513 or a 1680. From my out of date knowledge MBW cases would be a good start - is this still true? If you experts were to embark on a build what is the route forward for the best value reasonably accurate result? I don't think I will be going down the gen movement path - too pricey and slow beat eta's are to me a perfectly acceptable replacement. So, if you don't mind sharing your knowledge and possibly starting a heated debate - what would you do? Thanks in advance for all opinions/help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Welcome back! A heated debate? If it were up to me, I'd build the 1680 and then set it on an acetylene burner and see if I could get it to glow cherry red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Do you want a date or not i think is the only question to answerA 1680 i woud start with an MBW and why well the answer in in my signature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danza1812 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Mbw 5513 will accept a gen dial, I'm not sure about the 1680, ive got a feeling they use the 5513 case so a gen 1680 dial won't fit. That's if you decide to Franken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Good to see you back. MBW is still probably the cheapest way to go to produce a credible looking 5513 (I have no personal experience with 1680s). However, it might be worth considering a move up to an aftermarket case, which would negate the need for modding & make it easier to retrofit a gen movement at some point in the future. Yuki's cases look very good & his prices tend to average about half as much as NDT & J&W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplracer Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Good to see you back! I would go 1680! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 As above, I think it depends if a date window is a requirement. FWIW, I've been using a 5513 case with a Tudor dial as a beater on and off for some time, and must say it is a very comfortable watch to wear PS Welcome back, amigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselpower Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Thanks for the welcome. A change of career, buying a second home and having another child certainly does take up some time! Now where was I? Oh yes, watches - the date or no date issue, given the fact that I have a nice 1665 SD I am tempted towards the 5513. I am a simple chap and the simplicity of the watch appeals to me. So. If that were to be my chosen project what is the way forward? My limited knowledge says MBW case, slow beat eta, replacement glass (don't know what the gen is but I have a source for gens) and some nice vintageised dial and handset. As for the bracelet my instincts say gen, I have a few gen bracelets and they really help the watch on its way to feeling pukka. So, here it is - I am going to build a 5513. I am going to acquire a mixture of gen and rep parts. My pocket is not and endless pit and I am quite happy with an eta slow beat movement. What do you suggest? P.S. Its gooooood to be back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Josh 5513 127$ Ingod44 dial 130$ Gen crown 60-70$ Clark tube 17$ Ofrei or Yuki pearl 24$ Josh's insert is usable, just age it. Clark T19 service crystal 10$ Open lugholes for 2mm bars 2mm springbars 6$ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselpower Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Wow, woof* I like your style, straight to the point no pussy footing around. Have to ask a question or two, josh's 5513 - why that and not an MBW? You don't mention movements, what's your take on them? Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselpower Posted July 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Arabic or baton that is the question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Arabic or baton that is the question. All a matter of preference... Baton is more common than Arabic, but I have to admit, the number dials really are a pleasure to read Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danza1812 Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Ingods dials fit in a josh 5513? Interesting...damn you for supplying me that information I now feel compelled to act on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It's just a good deal. The josh has the same gen bezel construction as MBW, gen parts fit easy. MBW will be hard to find, and other than the crown gards the josh is almost as good for 3-400$ less I have three MBW and love them, but I also have a few subs built on the josh case. The MBW's have been harder to get. You have to find them used. A couple pop up every month on the sales forums. The josh for that price comes with Asian movement. I have had no trouble with mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Josh 5513's take gen dials and crystals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 And it even takes a gen movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tghodin Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Unless you really fancy them crownguards being perfect i would indeed tag along the many who already chose the 5513 Base from Joshua. Personally, i think a gen insert is a very good investment (hate on me if you like ) in any vintage rolex. Gen Thin Font Service Inserts are usually about 150-200USD. (These have no tritium pearl and often glows alot) Medium fat font can be found for about 350USD, but usually without pearl (which is what the reps often miss on). There is also the option to use a Poor mans watch forums insert (PMWF) at about 70USD + Yuki pearl (25USD) = very nice insert under 100 USD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 PMWF have been out of stock for a year, unless you know something I don't ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldegeneve Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 Well, the other drawback with the Josh (cartel) case is the caseback...it's a bubbleback type and it's bigger and thicker than gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 It can be milled like this one has been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted July 18, 2012 Report Share Posted July 18, 2012 ... your PM box is full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselpower Posted July 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 your PM box is full I've emptied it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polexpete Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Welcome back! A heated debate? If it were up to me, I'd build the 1680 and then set it on an acetylene burner and see if I could get it to glow cherry red. That would be an awesome 1680 red Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danza1812 Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 Josh 5513 127$ Ingod44 dial 130$ Gen crown 60-70$ Clark tube 17$ Ofrei or Yuki pearl 24$ Josh's insert is usable, just age it. Clark T19 service crystal 10$ Open lugholes for 2mm bars 2mm springbars 6$ What hands would you recommend to fit the Asian movement if one was to buy an Ingod dial with white markers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 19, 2012 Report Share Posted July 19, 2012 I'd just use(and have) the ones that came with the watch Here's a Tudor I built same set of parts in that list, except this is a gen Tudor dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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