denimhead Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Explorer-II-1655-Steve-McQueen-Freccione-Model-Original-Hands-Dial-Patina-/181411681942?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item2a3cfa9696 I'd hate for someone to get stung on this horror Cheers DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezio Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 [censored] that is a load of money for a rep haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 I've emailed the seller and pointed out the dreadful howlers on the watch. Over to him I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Here's the guys response, terrifying!!!! Hi Mark Thanks for your feedback reg the watch. This is my first 1655 and the infirmities you seek to show donot seem valid in light of the fact that a famous Auction house has valued it and agreed to take it in their auction. I fully appreciate your right to criticise but maybe the photos didnt come out well or from some angle. If you want some photos from other angle, I would certainly mail them to you for your perusal in the message. To repeat, a famous auctioneer has seen, valued and agreed to take it in their auction where it will in all probability go. And yes, NOTHING HERE IS AFTERMARKET, ALL IS ORIGINAL save for the bracelet. Because of the ethical consideration, I am not sending you a copy my private mail conversation with the auction house. So is my other very rare gold rolex which may be one of the very few surviving model of semi hermetic Rolex with FB case. I shall await your constructive criticism of that as well, should time and inclination permit. Once again reiterating that this is a rare all original untouched and virginal 1655 which mostly sat in the safe, I await your critique of the other rolex. And as Voltaire said, " I might disagree with you but I will defend to death your right to say it." Regards Mitra PS: You may be from UK,if you are listed on co.uk domain. There is a Parsi community in India who are the richest and the best connoisseurs of horological items. For examples there are more McCabe triple fusee with Parsis in India than in entire England. This is a dwindling community who donot have kids. Tatas are one example. I always buy my watches and clocks from aged Parsis. Still negotiating for Rolex and Patek Moonphase with one but the price asked is humongous. Anyway, this was just as an aside. But I do look forward to learning with/from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aero_Dave Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Explorer-II-1655-Steve-McQueen-Freccione-Model-Original-Hands-Dial-Patina-/181411681942?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item2a3cfa9696 I'd hate for someone to get stung on this horror Cheers DH OK, so teach us that can't see the issues. What are they that make you think its a rep? Dave... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Crap I have one that looks as good as that one, M2M under 200! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 OK, so teach us that can't see the issues. What are they that make you think its a rep? Dave... Hi Dave Here you go mate 1. the outer markers on all gen dials are printed very close to the outer edge, the outer markers always sit flush to the rehaut, as you can see this isn't the case on this awful franken 2. the coronet shape isn't correct for any of the 3 versions of the early T SWISS T dials that stern produced 3. The orange 24hr hand is totally incorrect in terms of length and profile, not long enough, too fat and no taper down to the arrow head 4. The cg's aren't 'long or square' enough and are incorrect in terms of profile, have a look at any of the Gen 1675 or 1655 and you'll see what i mean. 5. The CG's are also very thick, again compared to all gen 1655 and 1675 which have an up turned thin side profile 6. Look at the inners of the CG's, they should have a clean steep angle ending in a nice right angle. not the stepped effect this has 7. the engravings are incorrect in terms of font and numeral style for any early 1970's rolex 8. No chafer on the outer edges of the case, which happens to look brand new Hope that helps DH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 These pictures of a Gen should help in terms of dial and CG profile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegasvic Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 You know, if someone has 45K to spend on a watch, he is a grown man, and it's all on him to trust someone on eBay enough to cough up that kind of cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Hey mine is better, a little case work.................................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 OK, so teach us that can't see the issues. What are they that make you think its a rep? Dave... For those people who have been around for a few years, this is obviously a 4 or 5 year old Cartel piece from one of our trusted dealers. I remember when it was released. Yellowed markers which don't touch the rehaut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Wow, you are right. I don't know about that other stuff, but there is no chamfer whatsoever on that case. How would that even be possible on a gen? That's a gen Rolex movement though. Did he just grab pics from somewhere else or from a different gen watch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denimhead Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 It's possible to fit a gen 1575 into a lot of rep cases. Having owned the majority of rep and good aftermarket 1655 cases over the years I'd hedge my bets on this being one of ingod44's cases. I've worked on a couple of his and had to mod them to address the issues raised in the post DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC109 Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 I reported it and messaged the guy. I got a similar weird, ranting, kind of polite but indignant response. I wrote back and said if he wasn't willing to get something of this value checked at an RSC, he's as much as admitting it's a fake. Here's hoping a few more reports will get this thing taken down. My two cents on the source by the way is a higher end seller, MQ, NDT or IG44. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 (edited) The MQ and Phong cases all have nice chamfer on the lugs, though. Do the NDT and Ingod cases leave out that detail like the cheap rep cases do? Even Yuki cases have chamfer, don't they? This one is literally just a straight, 90 degree wall from the side edge of the lug. Not good. I'm wearing my Puretime red 1680 right now and that has nice chamfer to it. Edited May 22, 2014 by Mendota Explorer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtguk Posted May 22, 2014 Report Share Posted May 22, 2014 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Explorer-II-1655-Steve-McQueen-Freccione-Model-Original-Hands-Dial-Patina-/181411681942?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item2a3cfa9696 I'd hate for someone to get stung on this horror Cheers DH Good on ya mate, fooking scammers on the plus side I for one learnt something new today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cats Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 ZQQRaqqaszsssss Verzonden vanaf mijn iPad met behulp van Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dazza Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 I think we should all submit some offers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC109 Posted May 23, 2014 Report Share Posted May 23, 2014 Mendota good point about the chamfers. I haven't handled them to know if they consistently do, but if that's the case then who knows what this case is. The seller wrote back again and said he was willing to seek an RSC appraisal. We'll see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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