daveb33 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 So, My brand new eta 2824-2 came in the post today. Eager to start my franken datejust build I got to work. Installed the crown onto the stem and checked the postions to try and turn the date wheel to align the overlay.... The stem came out as I must have used too much force. I pushed the stem back in, now it wont hack, nor does it click into either date or time setting position. Any ideas what I have done? I know it hasnt done it any good I can see that for myself! The one thing I can describe is that there is a little cog the stem connects too that turns the one above it is all lose inside like something has broken off, come apart - does this terrible description make the slightest bit of sense? God I feel sick...and stupid...and gutted. Cheers Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww12345 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Sounds like maybe the keyless is messed up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markiemark Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Sounds EXACTLY the same what I did to an A7750 a while back. Hate to say this, but getting a new movement was cheaper for me than having it fixed. But then again is was Asian and not ETA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 You gotta take it apart.. It's not difficult, but with a little patience, you can realign the keyless works. There's a few tutorials floating around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveb33 Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Cheers guys, Ill do some searching but i thin this is a job for a pro = I cant face messing it up further! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netniet Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Sounds familiar, I had this with a Yuki 3135. With some help from Mike (Misiekped), and some articles about gen 3135 movements I was able to fix it. At first I was not that happy that I screwed up the movement, but it turned out to be a lot of fun, and I learned something about movements (it was my first time I worked on a movement) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtguk Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yep I'd agree with the guys, sounds like keyless works, here's a link I used a while back to do one of mine http://www.replica-watch.info/vb/showthread.php/eta-2836-2-77121.html?t=77121&highlight=remove+dial+2836 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymanmatt Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Most likely you have dislocated the yoke. Very common problem. Easy fix. When you take it apart you will see it is out of place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobandshawn Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 There are some good videos on YouTube as well. This was a great learning experience for me. I was sweating bullets - but now I can take it in stride. Good Luck! Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveb33 Posted September 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I actually love tinkering with things - I have contacted a watchmaker and he is happy to do it for me, but once I am finished with my last client (im a tattoo artist) I will do some reading up to see if I feel confident. I get lots more satisfaction doing things myself but I like to think that I am aware of my limits. Thank you for all the help everyone, I will keep you posted on how I get on. Thank you, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffindodger Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 (edited) yep you have pushed the stem into the keyless works and cocked something .. I did the same the other week and had to send it to member SSTEEL who sorted it for me. if you are in UK or EU contact him, or if in conus try Martijnp or Mymanmatt Edited September 18, 2014 by coffindodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Mark can show ya. keyless works are a [censored]. i almost prefer the 2813s if i wanna tinker because those arnt as tempermental with the stem release. glad you got a local guy to fix it. hope it doesnt cost you too much. ive seen prices from $30 to $100 to fix a keyless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Yes this happens. I have done it several times. I have not had the courage to try and work on a good movement yet but at some point will dive in. The last one I did was on a beautiful franken I picked up M2M and when I arrived I went to wind it and set the time and pulled the whole crown out.....tried to get it back in and buggered it all up. Off to the watch smith. That one ended up getting a new movement. Hopefully you can save yours. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck P Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 I am not mechanically inclined at all yet have repaired keyless works on an eta twice with only the internet as my guide. If I can do it? Anyone can. Just takes a little, ok, maybe a lot, of patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Congratulations!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVNE Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Mark can show ya. keyless works are a [censored]. i almost prefer the 2813s if i wanna tinker because those arnt as tempermental with the stem release. glad you got a local guy to fix it. hope it doesnt cost you too much. ive seen prices from $30 to $100 to fix a keyless. This same video actually guided me last week. It wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. Getting the datewheel with the DWO back on the movement was actually harder than resetting the keyless. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveb33 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Thank you all so, so much for the helpful information guys! So, after reading the first link posted on here, watching the vid and reading this post http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/132392-eta-keyless-tutorial/?p=987221&hl=sneed12&fromsearch=1#entry987221 I felt confident attempting the fix myself. Got as far as taking off the rotor and thought to myself, 'Right, this is it, you have committed' - Went on to unscrew the next step but my screw drivers are very cheap and I could not get a good purchase on the screw to loosen it - I then thoughy, nah, I dont wanna mess anything else up. Flipped the movement over and decided to try and take the datewheel off - same thing happend. I think in this instance, I will take it to the watch maker to see what the cost will be - esp as I want the h4 set up to allow more clearance over the stick markers. But, what I 100% know will do is buy a cheaper movement and have a tinker around - I really do fancy attempting this and see a new obsession forming. Time for me to look into some better tools. Thanks again Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 DWO is by far the worst thing to have to install EVER. I absolutely hate it. I've been doing a movement swap for a friend and I'm so over it. Had if set perfect the first time. Of course it got hung up and wouldn't always flip all the way. Then a few 100x later, I got it to flip over every night but low 20s sit a little low. By this point, I would do more harm than good so we agreed that was as far as I go. Lol I never wanna do another DWO ever but I still have another build to wrap up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProMariner Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 So, My brand new eta 2824-2 came in the post today. Eager to start my franken datejust build I got to work. Installed the crown onto the stem and checked the postions to try and turn the date wheel to align the overlay.... The stem came out as I must have used too much force. I pushed the stem back in, now it wont hack, nor does it click into either date or time setting position. Any ideas what I have done? I know it hasnt done it any good I can see that for myself! The one thing I can describe is that there is a little cog the stem connects too that turns the one above it is all lose inside like something has broken off, come apart - does this terrible description make the slightest bit of sense? God I feel sick...and stupid...and gutted. Cheers Dave I had the exact same issue by tryin to build a Datejust with an Asian 2824 from eBay (carabinet is the seller name) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveb33 Posted September 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 So. Took the movement to a watch maker - 10 mins from my home. Turned out to be a really cool guy. I had taken along the parts needed for the franken datejust project and showed him just what the movement was for. He was cool about it, kinda seemed a little impressed that I managed to source everything needed to do the project. Long story short, I left everything with him and he is going to take a look and get back to me with the cost of fixing the movement and maybe the cost of the whole project assembly if he fancies it. Got a few of the old mechanic head shakes, deep breaths and talk about how much work is involved for him but he will be getting back to me soon. I'll keep you all posted on what happens next! Thanks again, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Great story. I love your description. The dreaded head shake and sigh and maybe an ohhhh. I can sometimes sense those via email when I send stuff to my WS. I hope it works out for you. Sent from my droptop using telepathy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydenM Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 If you have the tools it really doesn't take too much skill to fix the keyless (I went from never having fixed one to probably fixing a keyless works three times in about a month) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted September 20, 2014 Report Share Posted September 20, 2014 Got as far as taking off the rotor...... Odd, you don't need to take off the rotor to fix the keyless. I haven't seen the video, but that is an unnecessary step. Anyhow, glad it's in good hands now. It does pay to have the right tools for the job. Invest in a decent set of Bergeon or AF screwdrivers at the absolute minimum before attempting any movement work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.