HaydenM Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Hi all, I have just finished my first build (a rolex 1016) and I was looking at what to get into for my second watch. I have always liked rolex daytonas but I had always read that they had horrible timebomb movement but recently I was reading and came across some vintage daytonas that really caught my eye. I am just wondering if anybody has any experience with these watches and how accurate they are, the current flaw that I have already noticed is that even though the 6 o'clock dial is faux it is far too low in these models. I was also wondering how the "Venus 75" (SN-19?) movement inside these watches is as far as reliability / ability to use the chronograph etc. Thank you all HaydenM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhorn Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 The vintage Daytona is OK with the 7750 movement or with the Venus copy. You've already found the major flaw with the Venus copy, and the 7750 version will have a much thicker case than gen but better subdial spacing. They all have flaws, so it's just a matter of which ones you find least offensive. No one can answer that one for you. There are a lot of threads about the vintage Daytona, so you'll have a lot of reading to do to figure out what direction you want to go. Off the top of my head, I know Sead recently came to market with a pretty good one, and there is a member over on RG (watchguyusa1) who is starting to build a project using an SG2903 movement. If you want to look for a M2M sale, look for one of the Spinmaster builds, or full blown frankens using a v72 movement come up from time to time if you have the budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputim Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Good information many thanks tomhorn! The sead version sounds interesting. Do you have any link to the watch you're talking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 The placement of the 6 sub dial on that one ruins it completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cousin_hub Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 New version with St19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputim Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 New version with St19 Nice piece! Is there a difference between this mew version and the cartel one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 In my opinion the ST19 is a nice and reliable movement, it feels nice to wind (unlike many 7750s), chrono is reliable for the most part, so I would take it over the 7750. However I do wish they moved that @6 pin on these at the factory. As was said perfectly already, you will always have to live with a flaw on these so, at a relatively low price I think they are a fair watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 New version with St19 What is the difference with this?http://www.trusty-watch.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_6&products_id=7506 St19 and Venus 75 are the same thing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids100 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 I wouldn't spend $250 to a ST19 one with a lot of flaws. I'd rather waiting for a DW one on the sales thread up to $500. Even if the A7750 is less reliable than the ST19, the overall product is much much nicer and dials are more beautifull especially on the Paul Newman ones. Few upgrades on a DW and you'll have a watch you'll be in love with. My 2cts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mil04 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Or you can get a lot of 6 watches from DW for a bit more: http://www.ebay.com/itm/DAYTONA-6239-AMAN-VALJOUX-7750-WATCH-PACKAGE-5-WATCH-/331311796112?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item4d23b8cf90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydenM Posted October 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Is the 6 o'clock subdial on this better, it seems it to me. So DW is the next step up from the ST19 series of daytonas and they go for about $500? is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids100 Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 (edited) On M2M deals recently, that's what DW's worth on average. They beat the ST19 ones on every points, have all counters working. Reliability of the A7750 can be argued but if you're able to take the reversing gears out that would increase the movement durability. IMHO there is no comparison at all, if you're seeking for the best price/accuracy ratio go for DWs. Then your next step would be a Valjoux 72 build but the range here starts at $3k... Edited October 14, 2014 by davids100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted October 14, 2014 Report Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sorry guys... DW stays for...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 David Wong. He was making reps for a while and I guess he scammed a bunch of folks or somethin.. I don't know the full story but I know he's not trusted for whatevs reason. That eBay deal is pretty damn good even just for the cases and movements. Just toss some branded dials on there and you're sitting on a couple grand worth of Daytona reps. Wish I knew my way around a VJ7750 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids100 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 That eBay deal will come with sterile cases for sure and sterile crowns as well. His last batches are coming without any engraving, neither on the case or caseback and crowns are sterile ones with a thread that is not compatible with other rep vendor's crown. I paid myself the scam recently dealing with him. Also, look at the dials on his watches on eBay, not finished yet, I bet he will ship it like so. I wouldn't order that. Better buying already assembled one to a member here that can send to you precise pics and informations regarding his watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 That eBay deal will come with sterile cases for sure and sterile crowns as well. His last batches are coming without any engraving, neither on the case or caseback and crowns are sterile ones with a thread that is not compatible with other rep vendor's crown. I paid myself the scam recently dealing with him. Also, look at the dials on his watches on eBay, not finished yet, I bet he will ship it like so. I wouldn't order that. Better buying already assembled one to a member here that can send to you precise pics and informations regarding his watch. I agree completely. I have a Gold DW Daytona for sale on the sales forum. The guy who sold it to me PM'ed me yesterday to tell me he could get one just like mine from DW for 450.00 USD (I paid him 650!!) I told him, go for it, and when you send him your 450 by WU and you get nothing back or and empty box or a half done sterile dial watch, you will get what you deserve. He offered to buy mine back for 450 by the way. I wouldn't trust DW as far as I could throw him, which I assure you wouldn't be far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomhorn Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Assuming you want to take the chance of dealing with DW, you can order a "branded" version by asking him and you will get a Rolex dial, not generic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydenM Posted October 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 I'm not running the gauntlet with DW, I'll either wait it out for a DW or just get myself a ST19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cousin_hub Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) This silver dial version with St19 is from the new batch. There is also white and black dials. Sead can source them Edited October 15, 2014 by cousin_hub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Dumb question that I should know the answer to, but are we saying the 7750 will take a gen spec dial? i.e. sub dial spacing the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davids100 Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 Dumb question that I should know the answer to, but are we saying the 7750 will take a gen spec dial? i.e. sub dial spacing the same? You'll have an issue with the counters holes placement, even if you cut the feet (btw they are not in the same location on V72 and V7750) you couldn't install it anyway. But, you could place a V72 dial on an ST19 with a bit of modding on hour chrono counter hand pivot. Lot of work and high skills required Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 But, you could place a V72 dial on an ST19 with a bit of modding on hour chrono counter hand pivot. Lot of work and high skills required Based on what I've heard from several modders, it's a less tricky and more routine job than I had previously imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted October 15, 2014 Report Share Posted October 15, 2014 You'll have an issue with the counters holes placement, even if you cut the feet (btw they are not in the same location on V72 and V7750) you couldn't install it anyway. But, you could place a V72 dial on an ST19 with a bit of modding on hour chrono counter hand pivot. Lot of work and high skills required Thank god I'm not going mad... I thought so, for some reason when reading this thread I thought it was being said that the 7750 would accept a better dial. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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