jackflash Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Well I succumbed to the need to take a closer look at the updated Cartel 5513 and ordered one from Josh. http://www.pf-818.com/-p-9481.html At long last we can say goodbye to to the stubby crown guards, a good excuse for me start another build. Here we go The annoying "Stailesssteel" and 1665 model designation between the lugs. I will sand these out to leave a brushed finish. Comparison of case height with the previous stubby 5513 and 1665 Cartel models (both modded). First the 5513. 1665 with a phong bezel assembly Side by side with the modded 5513 Asian 2836 movement Replacement of dial and handset. Dismantling the bezel assembly and crystal removal in preparation for case work. So far so good. More to follow 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCM21_88 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 I love seeing these step by step posts! Can wait to see more and the final product! Lookin' good already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Nice dial Jack. Look forward to another one of your excellent builds. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revere Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 That's a great build, thanks for sharing. Where did you source that dial and hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrickvilleboy Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 thanks Jack for clearing up the cartel 5513 now!good work and pls let us know what parts / source you are using! very helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Are the holes as good as they look, And that dial of yours is rather tasty, whats the source please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 That's a great build, thanks for sharing. Where did you source that dial and hands?Are the holes as good as they look, And that dial of yours is rather tasty, whats the source please The lug holes don't look too bad, however I will be drilling them out to 1.2mm. I'll be fitting the WSO gen-spec 2mm spring bars, they have polished end spring tips which is a nice touch.Picked up the dial next door:http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=260313The lume actually had a slightly cool tint to it, not really vintage, so I stained it with tea and did the same to the Yuki handset to match. I also gave the dial a light dusting of matt varnish.I was't happy with my first attempt at staining the lume on the hands, so had another bash at them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 The lug holes don't look too bad, however I will be drilling them out to 1.2mm. I'll be fitting the WSO gen-spec 2mm spring bars, they have polished end spring tips which is a nice touch.Picked up the dial next door:http://www.repgeek.com/showthread.php?t=260313The lume actually had a slightly cool tint to it, not really vintage, so I stained it with tea and did the same to the Yuki handset to match. I also gave the dial a light dusting of matt varnish.I was't happy with my first attempt at staining the lume on the hands, so had another bash at them. Nice job , looks the business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Drilled out the lug holes to 1.2mm and test fitted the WSO spring bars. Decided to give a T19 crystal (PA 462-66 ) from Ofrei a try too. A snug fit and very similar to the gen T19 service crystal. Next step, some case shaping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 My budget build says hi!I like your new crown guards and a very nice tutorial.Mine was a budget 5513- trim the cgs inside and out, drill the lugholes and install a 702 crown and tube. Movement is the DG2813 which is holding up well, but you still can't lengthen those stubby guards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted November 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 ... but you still can't lengthen those stubby guards.Another tip for stubby crown guards is to file down the saddle between them. Not by much though or the crown will come in contact with the bezel. Doing this will also require countersinking and re-tapping the case thread before fitting the tube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Yep, did that also- just forgot to mention it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revere Posted November 29, 2015 Report Share Posted November 29, 2015 Another tip for stubby crown guards is to file down the saddle between them. Not by much though or the crown will come in contact with the bezel. Doing this will also require countersinking and re-tapping the case thread before fitting the tube.Ah yes, the "optical inch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daovto Posted November 30, 2015 Report Share Posted November 30, 2015 Following this with interest... That dial... well I reckon that's looking sweet! Love the case work so far too. Looking after this old thing for you... just waiting on a Gen crown for it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2015 Following this with interest... That dial... well I reckon that's looking sweet! Love the case work so far too. Looking after this old thing for you... just waiting on a Gen crown for it Glad to see it found a good home Cool endlinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Case shaping completed with diamond files and varying grades of wet&dry abrasive paper. Reduced the height of the lugs slightly from the top and refinished with an abrasive pad. Brushed out the spelling mistakes between the lugs too, leaving a hint of the engraving behind. Drilled and countersunk the case to accept an Athaya 702 crown and tube. I used a combination on 1.3 mm drill bit and a 6.3 mm M3-90 degree countersinking bore for this. Finished off by giving the shiny bits of the case a polish. On to the shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1972 Posted December 5, 2015 Report Share Posted December 5, 2015 Good job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Good job!Thanks Installed the PA 462-66 crystal and reinstalled movement. Bezel next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Seamaster Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Nice pictorial mate.Love to see the watch gettin more and more authentic!Btw those cgs look awsome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Nice pictorial mate.Love to see the watch gettin more and more authentic!Btw those cgs look awsome! Thanks The Cartel CGs have become less hassle with the new midcase. However, being based on the 1665 the lugs need work to get them closer to the 5513. One step forward two steps back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Couple of options for the bezel insert, l'll either go for the bleached Yuki or gen service. I'm still waiting for the Yuki pearl to arrive, which thanks to FedEx is on a bit of an odyssey and may never been seen again. Anyhow, here are the shots with the bezel insert options, not fitted just placed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Great job mate, keep up the good work!It has started activating my 5513-genes... I'm starting to feel a lack of missing the Sub that outlasted them all. Interesting, as I've always felt that either vintage-vintage or modern./V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlf Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 (edited) Nice work mate, I presume you mixed some hands about?, looks super:)I'm still confused about these cases though... My STAILESS steel 16** doesn't have that ring machined around the top of case.(has exactly the same serial no) Edited December 6, 2015 by Dlf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackflash Posted December 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Great job mate, keep up the good work!It has started activating my 5513-genes... I'm starting to feel a lack of missing the Sub that outlasted them all. Interesting, as I've always felt that either vintage-vintage or modern./VThanks. Can't a beat a 5513 in the collection.Nice work mate, I presume you mixed some hands about?, looks super:)I'm still confused about these cases though... My STAILESS steel 16** doesn't have that ring machined around the top of case.Cheers. Hands are from Yuki, can be a bit hit and miss though. The machined grove around the top of the case is a leftover from the 1665 model to facilitate a rubber sealing ring (there wasn't one). Strange indeed if your 1665 engraved version doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daovto Posted December 6, 2015 Report Share Posted December 6, 2015 Fantastic thread... and that's looking amazing. I have to say I prefer the service insert to the Yuki when looking at the overall finish/patina to the watch. It looks more like a dutifully serviced vintage than an all original survivor :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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