Phong 5513 Pointed Crownguard Case Rehaut Opening Question

[cmr15]

Hi together,

i have a little problem with a 5513 Case with Pointed Crownguards which i got from Phong and the Tonny 5513 Dial.

The Dial is 26,0 mm in diameter and the rehaut opening is 26,2mm... So there is a gap of 0,1 mm, which doesn t look right for me.

Phong says that the dial does not lay under the rehaut like on other rolex cases but must be inside the ring, is that correct for 5513 pcg?

Did anybody here ever had a Phong 5513 PCG Case and had the same problem?

Thanks for you help in advance and kind regards!

 

[Retina]

mmm interested to know as well... from taking apart and putting watches together, never had the dial with a gap before...

[freddy333]

I have no experience with either part, but I believe the gen 5513 dial is 26.05mm, so the case opening may be too large.

[Bart Cordell]

Only 0.1mm ? Seems to be bigger on picture.
Is the dial from phong too ?

[RickFlorida]

Once more, I always thought there are too many inconsistencies with buying the extremely expensive hand shaped cases.  But I'm probably wrong because why would the inside be off where there is no hand shaping?   We really need to just directly CNC or 3d print cases with perfect specs.

[Bart Cordell]

Just read it's a Tonny dial. Sorry.

[cmr15]

Yes Tonnydial... kind of awkward cant imagine that it is correct with a gap, but phong does not help me, he keeps saying that it is correct like this...

[dbane883]

Hmmm. I think phong is mistaken. The early ('60-61) PCG 5512's had some dial gaps because (as the theory goes), they were made to accommodate the leftover 5510 dials which were 27mm. Then the 26mm 5512 dials were installed in some of these resulting in dial gaps.

I don't believe any early 5513's were made with wider rehaut apertures.

[automatico]

"The Dial is 26,0 mm in diameter and the rehaut opening is 26,2mm... So there is a gap of 0.1 mm, which doesn't look right for me."

I remember reading somewhere that the dial window opening on the PCG 5513 was oversize and the edge of the dial showed through.  I looked in my 'favorites' and could not find it though.  It might have been on VRF, not sure.  Phong is probably right on this but it needs some research before sending the case back.

Here is a picture that appears to show the edge of the dial between 5 and 7:   http://hypebeast.com/2012/2/retrospect-1961-rolex-crown-guard-submariner-5512-chronometer-version

Here are some more good pictures:   http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=732&ti=829288&pi=5604248

Here it is:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/thread/1468292473/last-1468326320/View+All

[edgematic1]

Interesting thread. Dbane is correct afaik.

5510 is 27mm.
5512 & 5513 is 26.05mm

As dbane said, early 5512 were designed for larger diameter dials (27mm).

I'm currently gathering info as well on the cases as I'm looking for a nice franken build. Here some photos I found on VRF. I assume the "fake" case is Phong's, correct me if I'm wrong.
Case comparison is with a '61 PCG case. .

 

 

[RickFlorida]

Thank you for posting these pictures.    The caliper specs on different sections is very informative.   I would to see similar shots with an original 5513 case if it's different.

[philwongnz]

I can understand measuring the inside of the case is a good way to assess the difference, but the outside will not be right as the gen has been worn and might be polished. The lugs are quite thin and the CG has definitely been thinned out due to wear and maybe polishing.

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[highoeyazmuhudee]

interesting thread

[cmr15]

So i think Phong has sent me a 5512 case and made engraving 5513... i researched myself and could not find anything about a gap for early PCG 5513, or does anybody has ever read something about that?

[freddy333]

13 hours ago, cmr15 said:

i researched myself and could not find anything about a gap for early PCG 5513, or does anybody has ever read something about that?

Rolex has never & would never release a watch with a gap like that.

[dbane883]

Note dial gap. II.61 5512:

http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1961-rolex-submariner-5512-pcg-gilt-chapter-ring-dial

The internal rehaut walls are much more vertical than a "normal" 5512/5513.

[freddy333]

Sorry, but I see no gap between the circumference of the dial & the inner case wall. Maybe, you are mistaking the edge of the dial where the paint has been worn away turning it a light gray as a gap -

[dbane883]

Yeah. I could be mistaken. Won't be the first. Won't be the last.

[QueTip]

Wow, that dial...

[Nanuq]

A couple years ago there was a Dark Lord dial sold here that looked almost exactly like that.

[Dlf]

 

Gaposis I think.

the early 1675 pcg is same also.

[RickFlorida]

On 9/30/2016 at 2:16 AM, edgematic1 said:

Interesting thread. Dbane is correct afaik.

5510 is 27mm.
5512 & 5513 is 26.05mm

As dbane said, early 5512 were designed for larger diameter dials (27mm).

I'm currently gathering info as well on the cases as I'm looking for a nice franken build. Here some photos I found on VRF. I assume the "fake" case is Phong's, correct me if I'm wrong.
Case comparison is with a '61 PCG case. .

 

 

Sorry for dumb question but would an original 5513 case have the same dimensions as this original 1961 5512 case in these photos with the caliper displays?