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Phong 5513 Pointed Crownguard Case Rehaut Opening Question


cmr15

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Hi together,

i have a little problem with a 5513 Case with Pointed Crownguards which i got from Phong and the Tonny 5513 Dial.

The Dial is 26,0 mm in diameter and the rehaut opening is 26,2mm... So there is a gap of 0,1 mm, which doesn t look right for me.

Phong says that the dial does not lay under the rehaut like on other rolex cases but must be inside the ring, is that correct for 5513 pcg?

Did anybody here ever had a Phong 5513 PCG Case and had the same problem?

Thanks for you help in advance and kind regards!

 

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Hmmm. I think phong is mistaken. The early ('60-61) PCG 5512's had some dial gaps because (as the theory goes), they were made to accommodate the leftover 5510 dials which were 27mm. Then the 26mm 5512 dials were installed in some of these resulting in dial gaps.

I don't believe any early 5513's were made with wider rehaut apertures.

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"The Dial is 26,0 mm in diameter and the rehaut opening is 26,2mm... So there is a gap of 0.1 mm, which doesn't look right for me."

I remember reading somewhere that the dial window opening on the PCG 5513 was oversize and the edge of the dial showed through.  I looked in my 'favorites' and could not find it though.  It might have been on VRF, not sure.  Phong is probably right on this but it needs some research before sending the case back.

Here is a picture that appears to show the edge of the dial between 5 and 7:   http://hypebeast.com/2012/2/retrospect-1961-rolex-crown-guard-submariner-5512-chronometer-version

Here are some more good pictures:   http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=732&ti=829288&pi=5604248

Here it is:

http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/thread/1468292473/last-1468326320/View+All

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Interesting thread. Dbane is correct afaik.

5510 is 27mm.
5512 & 5513 is 26.05mm

As dbane said, early 5512 were designed for larger diameter dials (27mm).

I'm currently gathering info as well on the cases as I'm looking for a nice franken build. Here some photos I found on VRF. I assume the "fake" case is Phong's, correct me if I'm wrong.
Case comparison is with a '61 PCG case. .

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I can understand measuring the inside of the case is a good way to assess the difference, but the outside will not be right as the gen has been worn and might be polished. The lugs are quite thin and the CG has definitely been thinned out due to wear and maybe polishing.

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On 9/30/2016 at 2:16 AM, edgematic1 said:

Interesting thread. Dbane is correct afaik.

5510 is 27mm.
5512 & 5513 is 26.05mm

As dbane said, early 5512 were designed for larger diameter dials (27mm).

I'm currently gathering info as well on the cases as I'm looking for a nice franken build. Here some photos I found on VRF. I assume the "fake" case is Phong's, correct me if I'm wrong.
Case comparison is with a '61 PCG case. .

001_zpsmeupox1d.jpg

002_zpsr07t3qag.jpg

003_zpsvgk887eq.jpg

004_zpsyq1mnmmo.jpg

007_zpsexeylpmj.jpg

005_zpsiqdid7ey.jpg

011_zpsp9qdddfp.jpg

012_zpsxd6lf4jp.jpg

013_zpsdrjllpb8.jpg

014_zpsx35xdvph.jpg

009_zpshkl16xxw.jpg

010_zpsdkdqb16m.jpg

008_zpsfp0s8l7y.jpg

010a_zpsxzueophj.jpg

 

 

Sorry for dumb question but would an original 5513 case have the same dimensions as this original 1961 5512 case in these photos with the caliper displays?  

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