cmr15 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Hi together, i have a little problem with a 5513 Case with Pointed Crownguards which i got from Phong and the Tonny 5513 Dial. The Dial is 26,0 mm in diameter and the rehaut opening is 26,2mm... So there is a gap of 0,1 mm, which doesn t look right for me. Phong says that the dial does not lay under the rehaut like on other rolex cases but must be inside the ring, is that correct for 5513 pcg? Did anybody here ever had a Phong 5513 PCG Case and had the same problem? Thanks for you help in advance and kind regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retina Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 mmm interested to know as well... from taking apart and putting watches together, never had the dial with a gap before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I have no experience with either part, but I believe the gen 5513 dial is 26.05mm, so the case opening may be too large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Cordell Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Only 0.1mm ? Seems to be bigger on picture.Is the dial from phong too ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Once more, I always thought there are too many inconsistencies with buying the extremely expensive hand shaped cases. But I'm probably wrong because why would the inside be off where there is no hand shaping? We really need to just directly CNC or 3d print cases with perfect specs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Cordell Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Just read it's a Tonny dial. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmr15 Posted September 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Yes Tonnydial... kind of awkward cant imagine that it is correct with a gap, but phong does not help me, he keeps saying that it is correct like this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Hmmm. I think phong is mistaken. The early ('60-61) PCG 5512's had some dial gaps because (as the theory goes), they were made to accommodate the leftover 5510 dials which were 27mm. Then the 26mm 5512 dials were installed in some of these resulting in dial gaps. I don't believe any early 5513's were made with wider rehaut apertures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatico Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 "The Dial is 26,0 mm in diameter and the rehaut opening is 26,2mm... So there is a gap of 0.1 mm, which doesn't look right for me." I remember reading somewhere that the dial window opening on the PCG 5513 was oversize and the edge of the dial showed through. I looked in my 'favorites' and could not find it though. It might have been on VRF, not sure. Phong is probably right on this but it needs some research before sending the case back. Here is a picture that appears to show the edge of the dial between 5 and 7: http://hypebeast.com/2012/2/retrospect-1961-rolex-crown-guard-submariner-5512-chronometer-version Here are some more good pictures: http://www.watchprosite.com/?page=wf.forumpost&fi=732&ti=829288&pi=5604248 Here it is: http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/thread/1468292473/last-1468326320/View+All Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgematic1 Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Interesting thread. Dbane is correct afaik. 5510 is 27mm. 5512 & 5513 is 26.05mm As dbane said, early 5512 were designed for larger diameter dials (27mm). I'm currently gathering info as well on the cases as I'm looking for a nice franken build. Here some photos I found on VRF. I assume the "fake" case is Phong's, correct me if I'm wrong. Case comparison is with a '61 PCG case. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 Thank you for posting these pictures. The caliper specs on different sections is very informative. I would to see similar shots with an original 5513 case if it's different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philwongnz Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 I can understand measuring the inside of the case is a good way to assess the difference, but the outside will not be right as the gen has been worn and might be polished. The lugs are quite thin and the CG has definitely been thinned out due to wear and maybe polishing. Sent from my SM-N930F using Tapatalk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted September 29, 2016 Report Share Posted September 29, 2016 interesting thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmr15 Posted September 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 So i think Phong has sent me a 5512 case and made engraving 5513... i researched myself and could not find anything about a gap for early PCG 5513, or does anybody has ever read something about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 13 hours ago, cmr15 said: i researched myself and could not find anything about a gap for early PCG 5513, or does anybody has ever read something about that? Rolex has never & would never release a watch with a gap like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Note dial gap. II.61 5512:http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1961-rolex-submariner-5512-pcg-gilt-chapter-ring-dialThe internal rehaut walls are much more vertical than a "normal" 5512/5513. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted September 30, 2016 Report Share Posted September 30, 2016 Sorry, but I see no gap between the circumference of the dial & the inner case wall. Maybe, you are mistaking the edge of the dial where the paint has been worn away turning it a light gray as a gap - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 Yeah. I could be mistaken. Won't be the first. Won't be the last. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueTip Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 Wow, that dial... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted October 1, 2016 Report Share Posted October 1, 2016 A couple years ago there was a Dark Lord dial sold here that looked almost exactly like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dlf Posted October 2, 2016 Report Share Posted October 2, 2016 Gaposis I think. the early 1675 pcg is same also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted December 16, 2016 Report Share Posted December 16, 2016 On 9/30/2016 at 2:16 AM, edgematic1 said: Interesting thread. Dbane is correct afaik. 5510 is 27mm. 5512 & 5513 is 26.05mm As dbane said, early 5512 were designed for larger diameter dials (27mm). I'm currently gathering info as well on the cases as I'm looking for a nice franken build. Here some photos I found on VRF. I assume the "fake" case is Phong's, correct me if I'm wrong. Case comparison is with a '61 PCG case. . Sorry for dumb question but would an original 5513 case have the same dimensions as this original 1961 5512 case in these photos with the caliper displays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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