hologramet Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 I think I’m pretty safe to say no-one has made a Genenstein from a ARF case before. Anyways, here you have it... ARF bracelet ARF midcase rest is gen In case anyone is wondering. It needs to be lathed on the inside since the 4130 has a bigger diameter that includes the movement holder area. Midcase neck for crystal gasket. Total work about 6hs. Also, he wants to inform that Phong can go poop himself since his cases are full with 0,2mm crown height erors putting pressure on stems etc. The thing is. If you have a good base to work with (lets assume all VN case modders and similar do). If it takes a full days salary (lets assume you want big shot prices) 600 USD for a midcase. Fine... ok... But charging that price for manual lathing and drilling, and its not 100%. You might as well buy a good base (eg chinese rep) and get a professional watch maker with the right tools. And then pay that premium sum, actually get something worth the cash. No this is NOT an advert, as he has enough work, but more a proof-of-concept! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueTip Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 That’s a damn beauty man! Wear her in good health! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagnesky Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Never seen anything like this.Skickat från min iPhone med Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sputim Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Amazing build! Enjoy it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shw24 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Amazing build.... i’m drolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archierocks Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Thats Stunning can anyone fill me in whats ARF is that a new factory or is it a modder ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altesporsche Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 wow ! arrgg now I want one lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 ARF is a factory @archierocks, they are currently turning out some nice work, often in 904L stainless steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvin951121 Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Excuse me hologramet. Can you reply my message? I send you money and you don’t reply for THREE days. I don’t know you shipped or not. Thanks.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capre Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Also, he wants to inform that Phong can go [censored] himself since his cases are full with 0,2mm crown height erors putting pressure on stems etc. That is why VN cases are for vintage projects. Well done! Now im in the mood for a ARF build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archierocks Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 11 hours ago, Sogeha said: ARF is a factory @archierocks, they are currently turning out some nice work, often in 904L stainless steel Nice what dealers carry them do you know id like to have a look at them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capre Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Nice what dealers carry them do you know id like to have a look at them All of them. Just tap in ARF in the searchbar. Edit: sorry offtopic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillesss Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Like the look of it, but I would be annoyed by the faux function subdials. Or are these upgraded to working condition? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gillesss said: Like the look of it, but I would be annoyed by the faux function subdials. Or are these upgraded to working condition? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Since it uses a genuine Rolex 4130 and genuine dial, I would assume this copy works... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillesss Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Since it uses a genuine Rolex 4130 and genuine dial, I would assume this copy works... You did have to put in quite some money to get here though? Gen movements are hard to acquire and not cheap. I’m looking at a daytona for my 21st but it’s most likely not available. Depends on the mood of my parents whenever the time arises could be a 2k piece but just as well 20. I well let go of my gen 16613 though.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 In case anyones interested. Modding cost are 750€. Contact me for info. Rehaut engravings must be removed to attain 10bar+ WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted January 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archierocks Posted January 26, 2018 Report Share Posted January 26, 2018 it is Beutiful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I think I’m pretty safe to say no-one has made a Genenstein from a ARF case before. Anyways, here you have it... ARF bracelet ARF midcase rest is gen In case anyone is wondering. It needs to be lathed on the inside since the 4130 has a bigger diameter that includes the movement holder area. Midcase neck for crystal gasket. Total work about 6hs. Also, he wants to inform that Phong can go poop himself since his cases are full with 0,2mm crown height erors putting pressure on stems etc. The thing is. If you have a good base to work with (lets assume all VN case modders and similar do). If it takes a full days salary (lets assume you want big shot prices) 600 USD for a midcase. Fine... ok... But charging that price for manual lathing and drilling, and its not 100%. You might as well buy a good base (eg chinese rep) and get a professional watch maker with the right tools. And then pay that premium sum, actually get something worth the cash. No this is NOT an advert, as he has enough work, but more a proof-of-concept! Not bad, there was one built last year with gen case and bracelet, and of course gen movement, dial, pushers, crystal, hands, crown etc So I agree that yours is the first franken built on an ARF base but definitely not the first of its kind. However I think yours is more impressive because of the amount of work involved, and the passion and motivation to get it done. When everything is gen, it is more like assembly and not modding. Well done and wear her well! It is watches like this that push the limits of the hobby. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk In case anyones interested. Modding cost are 750€. Contact me for info. Rehaut engravings must be removed to attain 10bar+ WR.Are you offering modification service for members commercially? Or just sharing your costs and experience? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Legend said: Not bad, there was one built last year with gen case and bracelet, and of course gen movement, dial, pushers, crystal, hands, crown etc So I agree that yours is the first franken built on an ARF base but definitely not the first of its kind. However I think yours is more impressive because of the amount of work involved, and the passion and motivation to get it done. When everything is gen, it is more like assembly and not modding. Well done and wear her well! It is watches like this that push the limits of the hobby. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Are you offering modification service for members commercially? Or just sharing your costs and experience? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I know that there have been earlier Genensteins. This was a Genenstein w/ Phong midcase before it became a ARF Genenstein. I’m pretty sure its the first ARF Genenstein though. A member that I have quite low regards of (sacsah) was the first with a Phong Genenstein (as far as I know) and my friend was nr 2. That’s the reason for the Phong remarks. His midcase was both expensive and mot especially correct. I am not the creator of this watch, it is a close friend of mine. I was the one that got the ball rolling. Helped him aquire first the Phong and now the stock ARF case. However, the work is planned and done 100% by my friend. He is a master watchmaker, 6 years of watch smith school in the early 80s (or whatever its called in english) and 30+ years of working on high end watches. I asked him what he would charge for doing the same work and assembly should a member ask. However, he used to have 2 spare NOS 4130s (sealed), but since both remaining ones are sold, the service is strictly Bring-your-own-parts, as ordering a 4130 from Rolex Geneva is lets put it mildly... ”not that easy”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I know that there have been earlier Genensteins. This was a Genenstein w/ Phong midcase before it became a ARF Genenstein. I’m pretty sure its the first ARF Genenstein though. A member that I have quite low regards of (sacsah) was the first with a Phong Genenstein (as far as I know) and my friend was nr 2. That’s the reason for the Phong remarks. His midcase was both expensive and mot especially correct. I am not the creator of this watch, it is a close friend of mine. I was the one that got the ball rolling. Helped him aquire first the Phong and now the stock ARF case. However, the work is planned and done 100% by my friend. He is a master watchmaker, 6 years of watch smith school in the early 80s (or whatever its called in english) and 30+ years of working on high end watches. I asked him what he would charge for doing the same work and assembly should a member ask. However, he used to have 2 spare NOS 4130s (sealed), but since both remaining ones are sold, the service is strictly Bring-your-own-parts, as ordering a 4130 from Rolex Geneva is lets put it mildly... ”not that easy”.Thank you for sharing. Whoever built the watch, it is impressive all the same. I think whoever claims to be able to call out the ARF midcase on the wrist will not be telling the truth. Such a project really takes a lot of dedication, effort and of course tons of money and deserves to be shown off to the community in good spirit!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacsah1 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Looks like a decent build but the ARF rehaut still sucks compared to gen. The pushers also don't align like gen so I bet the chrono start and stop is pretty finicky Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Also calling something genenstein when the case and bracelet is rep is pretty immaturish. But I guess one way to feel better about yourself. It should only be consider genenstein when everything from case to bracelet to movement to dial and bezel is genuine Rolex parts. Like this Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Also removing the rehaut would make this watch a fantasy model. If you remove the rehaut, it should come with 78490 bracelet with a different clasp. So if OP removed the rehaut to attain higher waterproofing but is using a 78590 bracelet, it doesn't exist in gen. But still not a bad build on a budget. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hologramet Posted January 27, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 53 minutes ago, sacsah1 said: Looks like a decent build but the ARF rehaut still sucks compared to gen. The pushers also don't align like gen so I bet the chrono start and stop is pretty finicky Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Also calling something genenstein when the case and bracelet is rep is pretty immaturish. But I guess one way to feel better about yourself. It should only be consider genenstein when everything from case to bracelet to movement to dial and bezel is genuine Rolex parts. Like this Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Also removing the rehaut would make this watch a fantasy model. If you remove the rehaut, it should come with 78490 bracelet with a different clasp. So if OP removed the rehaut to attain higher waterproofing but is using a 78590 bracelet, it doesn't exist in gen. But still not a bad build on a budget. Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk I fart in your general direction too... P.S. Everything aligns 0.05mm. Tubes, pushers, everything is redrilled and case is slimmed from the top, thereforw rehaut is removed. So a Genenstein according to you uses gen midcase and bracelet too? Then it’s not really a Genenstein, more of a black markert unsellable Rolex. But sure Sachal your imaginary wiener is bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacsah1 Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 Hey I'm calling [censored] when it's [censored]. You call your build genenstein when the midcase and BRACELET is still rep ??Correction noob: it's a franken It's a great fantasy build and great effort on both you and your Watchmakers part to build something like this on a budget but it's not a genenstein. Btw, for those who are interested Domi can also do this mod for those who are interested. And if someone needs 4130 parts, might be difficult for OP, but let me know if any of you need them Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueTip Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 I fart in your general direction too... P.S. Everything aligns 0.05mm. Tubes, pushers, everything is redrilled and case is slimmed from the top, thereforw rehaut is removed. So a Genenstein according to you uses gen midcase and bracelet too? Then it’s not really a Genenstein, more of a black markert unsellable Rolex. But sure Sachal your imaginary wiener is bigger.I have to +1@sacsah1 . A genstein is exactly what he said it was. A watch that was assembled completely out of genuine parts. Even the case and bracelet counts to this. Yours is a Franken and despite the flaws of the ARF case, a very decent one. Although it is not a genstein. Period. If you get butthurt because people telling you the truth, then so be it, be my guest. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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