montydog Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Hi guys, Silix have the 45mm PO Casino Royale on a leather strap, with AR, individually serviced & waterproof tested and with the ETA 2836 movement for $200 ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 No idea how good the watch is, but they are good dealers, no doubt. They usually have cheaper prices than the cartel for some of the same models that the cartel have. Makes you wonder at the markups going on...! Oh well, pick your dealer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 There is a thread about this somewhere, but basically it is based on the predecessor to the UPO. Both have their flaws, just depends on what ones you can live with. I don't think either version of the Casino Royale is worth buying personally, I am going with the normal UPO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanerich Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Non-cartel dealers were regularly selling the UPO for $179-189, so I don't see why $200 for a Casino Royale PO would be some kind of outrageous bargain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 $200 is the average price for 45mm PO. But if you target at "007" version...silix's is a bit cheaper than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Tracy Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 Including servicing and waterproofing,..it's a deal to consider imo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotsbimmer Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 To my eyes it looks like they fixed the Omega emblem, no up turned "toes". Or is the photo of a gen? That's really silly that they never got such a simple thing correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitmic Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Or is the photo of a gen? No it's no gen. Go do your Omega home work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I can't vouch for the quality of this dealer as I have never used them myself, but, they have been recommended to me by another member privately, but how does $95 sound? Planet Ocean Personally, for that price, I'm prepared to take the risk of trying a new dealer, I just with I had the spare cash to make the purchase. As you'll see from the link, they've answered all my questions satisfactorily, and very swiftly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I can't vouch for the quality of this dealer as I have never used them myself, but, they have been recommended to me by another member privately, but how does $95 sound? Planet Ocean Personally, for that price, I'm prepared to take the risk of trying a new dealer, I just with I had the spare cash to make the purchase. As you'll see from the link, they've answered all my questions satisfactorily, and very swiftly... TeeJay, you still have not developed an eye for detail yet. The watch you posted has the incorrect bracelet (flat not curved), incorrect HE valve placement, etched buckle, likely mineral glass with lousy rehaut depth. I would guess that that it has plastic movement holder and no antimagnetic cover either. The smaller one is 40mm, not 42 as it should be. I could go on, but you get the point. Go for the ultimate lite if you want to save some coin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montydog Posted May 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I can't vouch for the quality of this dealer as I have never used them myself, but, they have been recommended to me by another member privately, but how does $95 sound? Planet Ocean Personally, for that price, I'm prepared to take the risk of trying a new dealer, I just with I had the spare cash to make the purchase. As you'll see from the link, they've answered all my questions satisfactorily, and very swiftly... Hmmm.....that looks like a great watch for the money. Shame it's on a bracelet or I'd probably take a chance on it as you say. Silex has a non-Casino Royale PO latest version for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Yeah... with a 1,5x Logo size... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 TeeJay, you still have not developed an eye for detail yet. The watch you posted has the incorrect bracelet (flat not curved), incorrect HE valve placement, etched buckle, likely mineral glass with lousy rehaut depth. I would guess that that it has plastic movement holder and no antimagnetic cover either. The smaller one is 40mm, not 42 as it should be. I could go on, but you get the point. Go for the ultimate lite if you want to save some coin! On the contrary, my friend, it's more a case that I don't really care. For that kind of price, I would not expect real accuracy of detail, but it is certainly something that would pass inspection from the uneducated masses, and that's good enough for me Hmmm.....that looks like a great watch for the money. Shame it's on a bracelet or I'd probably take a chance on it as you say. Silex has a non-Casino Royale PO latest version for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 I forgot to say, on the sale where it says 40mm rather than 42mm, I would attribute that to clerical error rather than actual size. Also, with regards the HE placement, don't forget that the bezel is not 'zeroed', and that can 'throw the eye'. If the watch supplied is indeed as pictured, then I would say it was well worth the money, and I plan to get one as soon as possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_s Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 i am with andreww on this one, that cqout just looks cheap. fair enough the bracelet will play a big part in that, but still, you are then left with a rubbish mvmt, no ar, short hands etc etc etc more than likely a false economy, but let us know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 i am with andreww on this one, that cqout just looks cheap. fair enough the bracelet will play a big part in that, but still, you are then left with a rubbish mvmt, no ar, short hands etc etc etc more than likely a false economy, but let us know Cheap? It looks better (in terms of accuracy) than my Planet Ocean (has 'Swiss Made' below rather than above the minute indices) Is it a Cartel Ultimate Planet Ocean? Not at all. But, in terms of 'getting what you pay for', it certainly appears acceptable. My 2531.80 project watch, for example, probably not worth the $40 I paid for it, and it had a Japanese movement in it, but, it kept better time than my $800 Submariner. Things like the position of the HE, the serifs on the fonts, the anti-mag shield, the AR, mean absolutley nothing to me. (Inside layer AR is great, but double layer AR is just asking for trouble when it gets rubbed off.) I don't want a watch that I could pass off as genuine in an AD, I want a watch that I find satisfactory. To me, as long as the dial says Omega Seamaster, and not Qmega Seameister, I'd be happy with it. Some people want their reps to have 100% perfect detail, and to people like that, I would say buy a gen, as no rep will ever satisfy. Some people (I'd count myself in this group) are only after reasonable accuracy for their own pleasure. For the cost of that Planet Ocean, if it is indeed as it appears in the picture, that would be good enough for me. Indeed, I'll be sure to let people know how I get on, although it might be a while until I have the spare cash to make the purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Wrong forum for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Wrong forum for you And why's that, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polynomial Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I am lost here, are we discussing whether $95 is a good deal for a very poor looking PO with mineral glass, wrong bracelet and cheap Asian movement? Well, no it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 TeeJay...Sorry to say but you sound greedy to me Do you really expect a 95$ rep to look close to the real thing ? A Sawtch (with genuine ETA) is costing more than that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 To my eyes it looks like they fixed the Omega emblem, They didn't 'fix' anything. This watch (or rather the watch it is based on, with 2 parts substituted) never had the wrong Omega logo. This is the so called 5th generation 45mm Planet Ocean - the first one with correct 22mm lug size but incorrect caseback to accomodate the 2836 movement which is way too fat. Some versions also have incorrect date fonts and short hands, although it seems to be a lottery whether a particular watch will have either of these flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 7, 2007 Report Share Posted May 7, 2007 I am lost here, are we discussing whether $95 is a good deal for a very poor looking PO with mineral glass, wrong bracelet and cheap Asian movement? Well, no it is not. What precicely makes it 'very poor looking'? Wrong bracelet on it? If it's getting a rubber strap, what difference does it make what bracelet it comes on? Who cares what the movement costs if it keeps good time? I was not trying to compare this PO to the UPOs that the Cartel have, and that the 'detail fanatics' crave, I was just saying that the level of detail it has, for the price it costs, are acceptable. TeeJay...Sorry to say but you sound greedy to me Do you really expect a 95$ rep to look close to the real thing ? A Sawtch (with genuine ETA) is costing more than that ! I think you're confusing my motives. I do not expect a $95 rep to look exact to the real thing. I am not someone who obsesses over the details of the reps available. I don't care if it's a 4th gen, 5th gen, UPO. I don't care if there are minor inaccuracies in detail to the genuine article, like the HE being a few mm lower than it should be. As I said above, it is more accurate than my Planet Ocean, and as long as it says Omega Seamaster, not Qmega Seameister, and would pass as an Omega for the average, everyday person who knows nothing about watches, then that is good enough to me I can appreciate accuracy and details as much as the next guy, but it is not something I am desperate for in my own watches. I don't want to pass them off as gen to others (or go into ADs to try and 'get one over') As long as there are no glaring errors like spelling, totally incorrect fonts, fantasy models etc, then I'm happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawnmowerman Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Sorry to chip in Teejay , but I think you've got it all wrong, it sounds like you might be better going on holiday to somewhere lke Turkey , you can buy any number of reps like the one you crave for about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 andreww already mentioned this, but i'll go ahead and reiterate/expand upon his point. if you want to get a good value on a PO, buy the ultimate PO lite from josh/trusty, which is $128 and has the exact same case/construction/dial as the ETA ultimate PO, with the only differences being the datewheel font and the movement. sure, it's $33 more than the $95 PO(S) that you linked to, but are you willing to save $33 dollars for the following: i) inferior quality watch (mineral crystal, no mention of AR coating, wrong HEV position, crappy bracelet) ii) buying a watch from a relatively unknown dealer (see iii-v for more) iii) hard to be sure you'll be getting watch shown in picture iv) probably zero aftermarket service (ie. no replacement watches for crappy pearl or stripped crown threads) v) if the transaction goes poorly, i doubt the RWG member who told you about this dealer is going to make things right just my thoughts... deltatahoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Sorry to chip in Teejay , but I think you've got it all wrong, it sounds like you might be better going on holiday to somewhere lke Turkey , you can buy any number of reps like the one you crave for about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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