By-Tor Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 First three reps I purchased were TT Subs, back in early 2004 when I first came to the community. I have owned 2 "TW Best" models of this watch, and also one very old CN model from Joshua. Our family friend owns a genuine TT "Serti" Sub, which I have handled many times. So I guess I have some kind of insight to write about this replica. I never wrote a decent article of those old reps of mine, and this is the watch that LOTS of members have asked me to review over the years. TT Sub is kind of a "newbie magnet" in many ways. This replica model is not new, but the factory has introduced one very dramatic change: Better (smaller) winding crown. This is much welcomed improvement, because the "Jumbo" crown used to ruin this rep competely. Other than the crown, this watch is basically a Noobmariner with gold parts. By many (including me) the Noobmariner is considered be the best ever-out-of-the-box Submariner replica. The crown guards and pearl are very reasonable, and good enough as they are. And once again, only the "Noob" Rolexes have the correct, thick cylindrical "front rehaut". The other factories (including MBW and TW models) aren't quite as good in this regard. However, the actual rehaut depth is about one millimeter too low on the "Noob factory" Submariners. In the "old days" the last link that connected the bracelet to the SEL used to be just layered with a thin surface of gold, and the side of this area was left "naked"... i.e stainless steel on the side was visible underneath the gold layer (on top). That was another serious flaw and "deal breaker" on this rep, which has been fixed for this particular model. Just like the SS Noobmariner, the lugs are beautifully finished. The usual question is: "How good is the blue"? Well, I can safely say it's pretty damn good. Older models used to bee too "purple", but this watch doesn't have the problem. Blue is deep and rich. Here's the rep and gen side-by-side. The following photo is courtesy by member "JNKAI" (thanks). This is the exact same replica model, but notice how awfully HUGE the winding crown was before the "update". Utterly ridiculous. Like I said, I'm glad it has been fixed. Oversized crown is very typical problem with most Rolex replicas, and frankly I don't understand why it is so difficult to get right. This brings us to the best part of this watch, which is the dial. Just like on its stainless steel counterpart it's virtually perfect. This factory really knows to get the dials correct, and regarding the Rolex reps it's once again in the league of its own. Just for fun, you can check how my "Noob factory" GMT Master II dial compares with the genuine HERE. The best dial photo of this watch is from John Holmbrook's Rolex Reference Page, which I used as a source once again. I tried to shoot my watch from the exact same angle and here's the result. (Genuine on the right). As you can see the only differences worth mentioning are the minute hand (gen has larger luminous area), and the datewheel (which fills the larger area of the cyclops). The gens come with two different bezel font colors (gold and plain yellow). Both are correct. You can't seriously except the rep dial to get better than this. I was also positively surprised that hands and hour markers have the same luminous abilities on this watch. Usually lume on the hands is much weaker. My intial impression of the bracelet wasn't great, as it was in dire need of oiling. That's very typical for the replica Rolex Oyster bands. The links were stiff, made noise and didn't feel smooth at all. Oiling, as usual, changed the feel immediately. After having the watch in my possession for a week, and after comparing it to countless of gen pics I began to appreciate the bracelet a lot more. The gold tone might be different from the 18K, but I doubt it could be detected easily. I was going to get a gen TT "Serti" Sub from my friend for the comparison for this article, but unfortunately his long business trip ruined this plan. Experts say that the 14K gold tone isn't quite as rich as the gen 18K. The gen (supposedly) has more "creamy" color, while the rep tone is more yellow. Eurotimez posted a thread about the bracelet, and according to him the middle links are solid 14K gold. According to Eurotimez, the gold in this particular TT Sub comes in three different qualities: Plated 18k (will fade and wear off quickly) Cheaper gold with a thin 14k layer that will eventually get off, leaving ugly black spots where it wears. Solid 14k gold (this particular watch in the review) = never wears off. As you can see the clasp has a gold layer all through its surface, and it's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to keep scratch free. Gold layering on the clasp area (around the coronet) isn't quite as smooth on the rep, which could be detectable. Same can be said about the crown, the layer isn't perfectly smooth. But it's good to keep in mind that we're talking about rep of a $8K watch here. PS: What many people don't know is that all parts on the genuine 16613 aren't solid gold, either. The gen has plated crown and clasp area. Based on my experience, treating the rep TT Oyster bracelet with car wax is the best option to make it feel more substantial. It makes a difference. One annoying thing about the TT Oyster band (rep and gen) is how easily it collects microscopic hairline scratches. You only have to breath into its direction to get it scratched. Merely photographing this watch was enough to get a few of them here and there. Not that it would bother me, but I hope the customer who will receive this watch isn't one of those "anal types". Here's the traditional review wrist shot. This definitely is a pretty watch. Conclusion: Without a doubt this is the best TT Sub replica I have ever seen. And that's exactly why I wanted to review it in the first place. Now that the crown has been fixed, I seriously doubt this can be repped much better. I'm impressed how detailed the finish on this watch is. The dial is utterly amazing, and the plated bezel and pearl are very good as well. It would be very interesting to compare this against the new MBK version, and hopefully I have a chance to do that in the near future. Thanks again our new dealer, ***"Eurotimez"*** for borrowing this beauty. Good luck with your business ventures! Thanks all members for your continuous support, and I hope you enjoyed this another small pictorial of mine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 wow excellent review!! that dial sure is AWESOME! The color is perfect. The best i have seen on a rep thus far. dizz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwin25 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 By-Tor, Exellent review....! Edwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Another brilliant review! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxmilian Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Nice review, ugly watch...TT is not for me !! Nice to see another EU based dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 WOW! Thank you for another outstanding review. I'm not into gold as a rule - but damn, those photos look soooo good Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Ahhh very good work, again By-Tor! Good on you to put up the disclaimer against conspiracys I like the review very much. Maybe one member who has this watch and won't sell it could "test" one of his links? Better not you BT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratedzeus Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Oh yes. BT maybe note that there are 2 "Two-TOne" Noobmariner watches out there & still in production. The other one has only plated midlinks and the SEL is not plated on the sides.This watch is still in production and Narikaa still sells them and had them listed 2-3 months ago. Maybe note that so nobody buys something not satisfying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Thanks for the time BT. Great review indeed. I'm like Max: ugly watch, not for me but it's so nice to see the Noob Factory does better job on the watches now. I would like to say about Eurotimez (after doing some business with him) that he is definetly trustable. Cheers Stephane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadweller4000 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 By-Tor, you are truly the Godfather of replica-reviews. Thank you for taking the time to write another one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greystash Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Stella photography as usual. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radiohead101 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) Just wanted to note I'm loving EuroTimez too. Been doing some emails with him, he is incredibly fast, and has my watch coming to me. What REALLY impresses me about him is his quality control! By the way, I've only been dealing with him in email, what's his website URL? Edited March 27, 2008 by radiohead101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Thanks all. @Mezz and Stephane: How can you say TT Sub is "ugly"? I understand that gold isn't for everyone, but "ugly"? "Gaudy" or "tasteless" I could understand, but "ugly"? Come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRasta Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Excellent review as always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raijor Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 By-Tor is a true asset to our community. I have gained so much knowledge from his work Thanks for another terrific review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chronology1066 Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 (edited) By-Tor - Sell this one to me I have been waiting for a good 2T to arrive, there are always one or two little niggles but these are easily addressed. Thanks for a superb review as always. Edited March 27, 2008 by chronology1066 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Excellent review, thanks By-Tor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Another great review BT. I'm more of a Black TT Sub guy but the dial color looks spot on for this Blue one.... Good to hear the our newest dealer is getting good reviews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Great review BT. And a very nice watch. But even in my fifties, I just don't care to wear TT, or gold for that matter- maybe a sedate gold watch on a leather/crocodile strap for dress wear- but not as a daily beater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Another great review BT. I'm more of a Black TT Sub guy but the dial color looks spot on for this Blue one.... I'm usually into blue dials but I actually like the black TT Sub more myself, as well. Eurotimez offered to send the black too... but blue is WAY more popular... so I chose to review this one. Anyway... it will be tough to send this one back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Great review BT. And a very nice watch. But even in my fifties, I just don't care to wear TT, or gold for that matter- maybe a sedate gold watch on a leather/crocodile strap for dress wear- but not as a daily beater. It's quite surprising how many people dislike gold these days. It was different back in the eighties and early nineties. I love the looks of many TT watches, including this one... but I find them a bit gaudy to wear. This kind of watch almost requires you to wear white shirt and a suit. This could work quite nicely as a "special occasion" watch. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 By-Tor, I think your YM suits just fine for those special occasions. I like this 2-tone very much, but I just can't bring myself to wear any gold, I feel it doesn't suit me. So I ordered a YM Noob from Chris (eurotimez) to fill that spot, a watch that is essentially my 'Jewellry piece' that I can wear for those type of occasions. But now I just found out they have a noob 2tone, hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted March 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 Well, I've been informed by another dealer that this watch comes with two "grades" of gold. The other "grade" is supposed to be much higher quality, and Eurotimez swore that my review watch is exactly that. Probably the same "gold grade" that our legendary Eddie Lee always described as "TW best gold". Yeah I know, that's serious rep dealer jargon/marketing. This gold issue is an age old debate, but the closer I examine the bracelet on this one the more I appreciate it. If I decide to keep/buy this watch (that's definitely a possibility), I'll try how well it can take polishing, and take one spare link to a jeweler. My previous 3 TT Subs got small, microscopic brown spots on the gold (to the areas where two midlinks turn and touch eachother... and get "friction"). This happened almost immediately after a few days of use, this watch doesn't seem to have that issue at all. I'll keep you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 The master stamps his authority on the review game. Another winner. Now, the watch, It's definitely a great rep and I too can see a time in my life where my hair would go grey and my watch would turn gold and this watch would fit nicely. Just not today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SliceMaster Posted March 29, 2008 Report Share Posted March 29, 2008 By-Tor you are the master of reviews and if I hadn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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