Watchmeister Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Thought you might find this interesting - a brief comparison of dials. And no, I do not want this showing up on a gen forum. What I have learned from this exercise is that depending on the angle and lighting each dial can look very different and more or less similar to one another. And no cracks about the photography. The Gen: In case you are wondering what a sandwich dial looks like on a $25,000 watch: The Comparisons to a Davidsen dial: And finally a couple of group shots including the two dials plus one of the old school EL 4rth generations: It's all in the number tails and funky cut-outs boys. But our reps are damn good. This dial will be off to the Master for a relume shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie7s Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Whoa...where did you source that dial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 You ready to laugh - Ebay! You gotta love the bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Nice score Kruz and a useful comparison. This might just be one of the best Rep dials we have seen after looking at both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lazarini Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Awesome comparison kruzer ... for a non expert this is scary close PS ... u don't wanna share what the dial cost u ... Laz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhitesox Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 For real..A gen fiddy dial on ebay.....Great catch Kruzer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Thanks for posting Kruzer. Wonderfull catch. Having said that, even my Fiddy is as close as possible to the gen here. Our hobby is so special! Some times the parts are close and some time they are just completely off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornerstone Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 WOW! Absolutely fascinating to see - and what a great piece. I especially like the idea that it's going to have to go to Ziggy to be upgraded!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Nice post! Unbelievable that something so collectible would be sold through a channel such as Ebay! Congratulations on the winning bid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweattdogg Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Awesome catch Kruzer. I was always under the impression that EL's early dials were the best. Davidsen's looks pretty good in a side by side. Are you going to put this dial on that 4th Gen EL? If you could source a cheap E series movement and somehow change the number 117 on the case your watch couldn't be told from real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest porsche356a Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 What an AWESOME S-C-O-R-E. That will definitely be one of the TOP frankens ever. Cant wait for it to be completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Hilts Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 What an AWESOME S-C-O-R-E. That will definitely be one of the TOP frankens ever. Cant wait for it to be completed. Do you have the ebay listing still? I'd love to see how that one snuck on. Unbelievable score. Can wait to see the Uber-Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milsub5517 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 (edited) this is super close!!! now my question is why do we need a gen dial??? it probably costs several K USD, and how much is the rep? 100x cheaper? LOL great comparison Kruzz. THANKS!! Edited May 13, 2008 by mil_sub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 this is super close!!! now my question is why do we need a gen dial??? LOL Because we are nuts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankt Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 I'm almost afraid to ask..... But....How can you be absolutely CERTAIN this IS in fact a genuine dial...??? It seems, at best, somewhat implausible that someone would "part out" a $25,000.00+ watch!! :rolleyes: And knowing about the vagaries of Ebay sellers..... ^_^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmg Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Very nice comparison Kruzer. DSN's dial is scary close -you've gotta love our evil little hobby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olreon Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 hello, amazing catch, but it seems that the dial is not in very good condition. maybe it was replaced. it would be interesting to know which serial the pam127, from which the dial was taken had, cause i know that there are 3 versions of the gen pam127 dial. they differ in color of the printing and in the cutting of the markers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 FrankT- You can never know 100% that something is genuine. I am fairly confident for a number of reasons. I own gens, frankens and other original dials so I am fairly aware of what a gen PAM dial looks like and its construction (both the top and underlying sandwich). Also this particular dial is substantially heavier than either of the EL or Davidsen dial and the vagaries of the number cut-outs are not even close to reproduced in the rep dials. This is not something you can see in my picttures but when you overlay them you do see the subtle differences. Finally, several other members agree as they have gone out and bought all but one of his others. Olreon- You are absolutely right. The dial is from a watch that had its dial replaced. And that is the beauty of it. I am very aware of the different generations of the Fiddy dial and this one is either first or second generation. I am 99% sure it is first generation. As you mentioned you can tell from the Panerai font color and thickness and more importantly the differences in the dial number cutouts. I was also told that the color of the under dial is a good clue as I believe they refined it after the first generation. Supposedly the first generation which had a more primitive top coat on the underdial. Your AD would call it vintage color and we would call it early modern Rustoleum. Fortunately the top dial is in perfect shape other than dirt and grease which cleans right off. The bottom dial will require a relume but at least I have the original color for Ziggy to match up. MilSub- You are right that no one needs a gen dial. But I really wanted one and yes the price was surprisingly good. Finally, I have to say that both Davidsen's and the fourth generation are excellent copies. At least relative to this particular dial I am partial to the EL as the font is just too gray on the Davidsen but everything else is basically the same. And Davidsen's comes with superlume while the original EL did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pizzanooo Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Great post and catch. Nice comparison to Davids & Els last offering of the 127. I have had both and kept Els and modded it. Prefer that one also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
promotersf Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Awesome Kruz, you are always the early bird on these amazing finds! I kept my EL 127 too, fully modded by Rob on a oem black calf strap. We really do have the best watch enthusiasts on this forum, more so than on the gen forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roflwaffle Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 hrm. did a search of bay in completed items, and i didnt see it Guess I'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Amazing find Kruzer.......a finishing touch that I bet you never thought would come up but what an end result!!! Great review as well dude....your photo skills are getting better!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted May 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 The listing evaporated in less than 5 minutes. Something about an "error in the listing"... FGD- Yeah it was a lucky find. But wait until you see the rest of the watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ta8088 Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Wow what a find kruzer! Can't wait to see the finished watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingrick Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Show us the movement in this piece! Betcha this piece has a gen movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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