offshore Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Wonder where this will end up? Looks kosher to me. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-SS-Rolex-Do...1QQcmdZViewItem What's it worth Nanug? Offshore
guanaco Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Is that genuine or a rep? I'm not familiar with vintage Rolex other than the fact the Double Red SD is really elusive.
StormTooper4 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Do you not think the HE valve looks abit suspect ? Nice watch though, didn't some go for 200k at the Antiquorum Rolex Sale ST
docblackrock Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Hmmmm I dunno Alan. Even through my bleary-eyed mist this Saturday morning, my spidey senses are screaming "franken" - MBW case and a very familiar-looking NDT dial - I"m sure Freddy our resident NDT dial man can confirm this at a mere glance, the thin 6 and 9 indices. Odd though as the seller is reputable but still that's no guarantee these days. Caseback is strange though - not as 'stamped' as I've seen most gens (in the flesh as well as pics), but clearly much better than standard rep. Weird etched look to it. Suspect also that there is no movement shot either - odd seeing as his 1655 Explorer has one, he's clearly not deficient in the caseback removal tool area. Interesting too he's started this one at a relatively 'low' franken price of 10,000 kangaroo dollars, when the 1655 has a market value Buy Now price. Says to me this is a bit of a 'list and hope'. If it were 'kosher' this would go for around A$50k. I was telling Nanuq only the other day about another MkII like his I handled the other week at a vintage dealer -
Nanuq Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 IMHO it's franken. The case is wrong, the crown is wrong, the insert and bezel are wrong, and it should have a folded oyster for that vintage. And the caseback is wrong too. The dial is nice but... Is that supposed to be a MkII? If so where's the thin crown? Thin 6 and 9 indices... Nice, but... not "gen". Just my $.02
offshore Posted May 31, 2008 Author Report Posted May 31, 2008 Will always bow to the experts, that's what this place is all about, to look and learn! So then, is it reportable? Seems like someone is going to get burned! Offshore
Stephane Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 I wonder how such a guy can have such a good reputation. It should be reported for sure. There is nothing close to the quality of a rep of our board on that watch, nada.
dluddy Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Look at his other listings..... GPS's, batteries and............ Expensive vintage Rolex watches
SubFrog Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 If this is a FRANKEN...it needs to be stopped. Bidder 2 AU $10,100.00 31-May-08 08:34:06 AEST Bidder 1 AU $10,000.00 31-May-08 05:31:14 AEST Bidder 2 AU $10,000.00 31-May-08 08:33:57 AEST Bidder 2 AU $6,500.00 31-May-08 08:33:48 AEST Bidder 3 AU $6,000.00 31-May-08 03:54:56 AEST Bidder 2 AU $5,200.00 31-May-08 01:40:59 AEST Bidder 1 AU $5,000.00 30-May-08 22:59:01 AEST
By-Tor Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 The crown is definitely wrong... it's way too fat for this model. The insert & pearl look like good old MBW to me. On top of that the cg's are non-symmetric. The upper cg has been filed thinner than the bottom one.
docblackrock Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 IMHO it's franken. The case is wrong, the crown is wrong, the insert and bezel are wrong, and it should have a folded oyster for that vintage. And the caseback is wrong too. The dial is nice but... Is that supposed to be a MkII? If so where's the thin crown? Thin 6 and 9 indices... Nice, but... not "gen". Just my $.02 I think we're all agreed on this - always good to have a consensus. Since someone is going to get burned, I've reported it.
dieselpower Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Screams franken to me. I agree this should be stopped. Some poor fool may lose a tidy sum.
torresp Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 Well, as he stated in the description watch is fake: Quote: ------------------------------------- Model Name: Double Red Seadweller Ref: 1665/ 3522174 Gender: Men's Condition: Great Condition Case: SS Great condition Redone Movement: Cal 1570 100% Original (Good condition) Dial: Black dial with creamish patina Redone Bracelet/Strap: Original bracelet oyster 93150 (great condition) Crystal : Acrylic (Superb condition) Box / Papers: no ------------------------------------ end quote The only part he claims original is the bracelet and the movment!!!
torresp Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 and I bet that this one: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi...52BSI%26otn%3D4 is another franken too (bracelet wrong and case strange) but I'm not a 1655 expert... I miss you Oli!! I couldn't see the model ref in the papers...
lazarini Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 am this is a standard MBW outa box insert in those pics pearl is nothing compared to my gen insert plus font is much thicker on that then on mine ... Laz
freddy333 Posted May 31, 2008 Report Posted May 31, 2008 I am completely with Nanuq on this 1. The case is Vietnamese, the crown (yes, too wide), bezel & insert are wrong (poor aftermarket). However, the dial almost fooled me, because it is the same 1 I have for my next DRSD franken (the slightly too-narrow 6 & 9 index markers are the give-away) But I think I like their lume better (they relumed it to match the Mark I on doubleredseadweller, which I would like to do as well).
Jules.JJL Posted June 1, 2008 Report Posted June 1, 2008 I am completely with Nanuq on this 1. The case is Vietnamese, the crown (yes, too wide), bezel & insert are wrong (poor aftermarket). However, the dial almost fooled me, because it is the same 1 I have for my next DRSD franken (the slightly too-narrow 6 & 9 index markers are the give-away) But I think I like their lume better (they relumed it to match the Mark I on doubleredseadweller, which I would like to do as well). All I can say is - in awe of you guys knowledge! J
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