milsub5517 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 so we now need to figure out why and which gens have > 48 teeth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capice Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 wow....sorry to see this......big bow for T who took the plunge.....how could this happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 i think the guys with the fake gen turkey crowns they wrote the crown need 60 teeth. rolli wow....sorry to see this......big bow for T who took the plunge.....how could this happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmurphy926 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 i think the guys with the fake gen turkey crowns they wrote the crown need 60 teeth. rolli That would explain a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjfesq Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Contact Uncle Jay He would know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Well here is my 411 on the crown teeth count. I have a gen PVD auto crown and the only auto that is PVD is the 28A and B series. This crown has 52 teeth on it and you can count the teeth on it to verify as well. I originally thought I counted 54 but after recounting it I see that it is indeed 52. So I apologize for saying 54 teeth when I clearly see 52. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 [censored] happens hundret experts here but none noticed the 48 teeths i have notice this mistake today. Some friends told me... i should not make anything public before someone else have notice this mistake because i would loose all my money... but i will not scam my friends here on RWG... i know the most guys since many years and have a good reputation here.... i can loose my money BUT I WILL NEVER LOOSE ME "REPUTATION"... so I have made this mistake public but we should look ahead! sure i have lost a lot of $$$$$... but this is my risk as seller. Should they have the correct 48 teeths i would make a good deal... should anything goes wrong i will loose some thousands $$$$$ ... that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 i've just found these images in my archive of the pam111H crown from flavour flav. 48 teeth. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmurphy926 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 so let Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 i think the guys with the fake gen turkey crowns they wrote the crown need 60 teeth. rolli rolli we should not blame one guy we all have 2 eyes... and one of us would have notice this mistake. I think many of us made a mistake... me too. i am the seller... so i have the biggest guiltiness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewhite2417 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hi, I'm not fussy. How much for the "bad" type!! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 whats that for a question. you know the price. rolli Hi, I'm not fussy. How much for the "bad" type!! Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 T, I should have participated in the original thread and counted my h series cg which is definately gen.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolli Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 here are another two images with a gen crown. 48 teeth. rolli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Well here is my 411 on the crown teeth count. I have a gen PVD auto crown and the only auto that is PVD is the 28A and B series. This crown has 52 teeth on it and you can count the teeth on it to verify as well. I originally thought I counted 54 but after recounting it I see that it is indeed 52. So I apologize for saying 54 teeth when I clearly see 52. I reposted this in your comparison 000 thread.. The package is from a cg 'lever'!!! It has a MX code which means it is an H series cg lever.. Earlier A-E series levers had PAV code... Did you got that crown in this package? How sure you are it is gen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Looking at the photo below the T crown is obviously visually nothing like the gen. I think it is awesome that he is doing the project. I guess if I was investing time and money in something like this I would already have the image of the gen crowns so burned in my head that maybe they would be off by a few teeth but they would at least look the same. It is just like DSN. He makes custom dials that to anyone with an eye are just trash. Why get into the custom dial business at all if you do not have that eye. Did you see a prototype before you let them run off 750 of these? I am sorry about the wasted time but it is refreshing that you are willing to get it right and I will certainly purchase one when they are ready. I would love to learn which models have 60 teeth IF ANY.. Pre-V though have 48 as rolli showed us in the blueprints so it didn't changed through time.. I think there is a visual difference as you can see from the following photo... Left t crown correct thickness less teeth and right rep crown correct teeth but too thin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Sh*t does indeed happen on projects like this - especially if it's not 1:1 copying as with V's CG or Jimmy's parts etc. But respect and kudos to T for finding the solution and being upfront about it. I'm sure these will be known as the T-60 Crown and become legend in a few years!!! I look forward to the T-48 Crown with high expectations based on the quality of the T-60!! Cheers FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) T had no possibility to compare a first sample to a gen before the full run of 750 was done, he had to rely on the drawings and infos that came from us. This went awfully wrong, so many fellows here were convinced that the gen crown had to have 60 teeth that no one of us actually counted them until T told us about it. He could just have kept quiet and no one would have counted them until 2010. Instead he came up with this info and offered right away to do a second run of correct 1:1 crowns. Allready the first production run is now the best aftermarket crown available. So let Edited August 29, 2008 by Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) Sh*t does indeed happen on projects like this - especially if it's not 1:1 copying as with V's CG or Jimmy's parts etc. But respect and kudos to T for finding the solution and being upfront about it. I'm sure these will be known as the T-60 Crown and become legend in a few years!!! I look forward to the T-48 Crown with high expectations based on the quality of the T-60!! Cheers FGD So your Panerai is a gen? BAH! So what? My crown has more teeth so I win! I Edited August 29, 2008 by Fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjmurphy926 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I got home from work about an hour ago to find my T-60 (I like that name fishgo ) crowns in the mailbox. I can confirm that the quality is first rate and the fit on a standard rep case w/ V CG is perfect. It's a nice improvement over the stock rep crown and I'll leave it on until T produces (if he decides to) the run of T-48 crowns. Again...Excellent work T...Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaykeem Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 I completely agree people were paying close to $100 for palp crown. T thank you for making these for us I plan on picking up a few as well of either one 60 or48. Which ever a the final crown to be produced and available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t Posted August 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Looking at the photo below the T crown is obviously visually nothing like the gen. I think it is awesome that he is doing the project. I guess if I was investing time and money in something like this I would already have the image of the gen crowns so burned in my head that maybe they would be off by a few teeth but they would at least look the same. It is just like DSN. He makes custom dials that to anyone with an eye are just trash. Why get into the custom dial business at all if you do not have that eye. Did you see a prototype before you let them run off 750 of these? I am sorry about the wasted time but it is refreshing that you are willing to get it right and I will certainly purchase one when they are ready. we have check all... the thickness... if it will fit the tupe... etc etc etc but we have never check the teeths... all people told they are 60... and none of RGW members told anything about 48 theets. interesting is that NONE have notice this mistake until i made it public today... would i not made it public... probably never anyone would check this mistake we have build this crowns with help of D3 drawings... and not with help of a genuine as sample... WE HAVE NOT COPY the genuine crown... so a sample of genuine crown wouldn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milsub5517 Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 (edited) SOMEONE PLEASE TAKE A PICTURE OF GEN CROWN AND T-60 SIDE BY SIDE. C'MON PEOPLE WITH GENS!!!! on the V's picture the shape of teeth on rep crown looks different from T-60. Edited August 29, 2008 by mil_sub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Very sad to read this thread and I feel for you t but personally I love the new '60' crown and it now sits happily on my DSN 111h with my V cg and it is good enough for me and a vast improvement over the DSN 'crapcrown'. If you do produce the 48 version then I might buy another from you but as another member said, I will pay full price rather than exchange my 60 model! It was not really your fault. Just looking through my imageshack file and found this piccie I took last year of my 112G and 111F crown to crown and I think this pic clearly shows only 48 teeth on both series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seltea Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 T - don't beat yourself up over this - you have acted honourably. Not many people will put their money where their mouth is. You charged a fair price and put yourself out for the community. My crown arrived today and I will be installing in tomorrow and when the T48 is done - I will be getting one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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