chris5264 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Ok,,,I picked this up after a bottle of nice wine (at least I think it was pretty good). It was 275 (usd) and my take was that it was a decent deal. I think the movement may be original, it is keeping good time, doesn't hack, is a slow beat, and the winding gears don't look Asian (but who knows?). The bezel and dial and possibly case are all franken but still not bad however it looks strange the the crystal goes over the case as opposed to sitting within and I found it interesting the case o-ring was so dry it broke when I tried to remove it (yes,,,I need another one).....any comments are appreciated as I am no expert in this area. could be a $30 rep or pretty good,,,,,can't see how we can be so intoxicated we can't make good judgments but can still remember our credict card numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nice find! Can't read the movement # below the balance- 248x maybe- but it looks like an old ETA to me. There are reps of the Tudors out there, but this one looks good to me. Pearl on the bezel insert looks suspect, but it could be the lighting. The crystal should go over the case, but should have a retaining ring which also holds the bezel assembly, I believe. For $275 it's not a mistake and could be a very nice score. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nice find! Can't read the movement # below the balance- 248x maybe- but it looks like an old ETA to me. There are reps of the Tudors out there, but this one looks good to me. Pearl on the bezel insert looks suspect, but it could be the lighting. The crystal should go over the case, but should have a retaining ring which also holds the bezel assembly, I believe. For $275 it's not a mistake and could be a very nice score. Thanks,,,,I might remove the glue and find an insert for the crystal....yes,,,has a ring that holds the bezel assembly but looks like it was glued to the case and came off when I removed the bezel. After a second look I was curious about the rotor,,,,,,I'm not even sure how I could get this off. here are some more pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I am completely with Alligoat on this. And if you locate another 1 of these for the same price, PM me. Nice find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 The insert, crown and case are definitely not genuine. But a real nice find anyway. Tell the seller that there's a market for him at RWG (if he can source more for that price). The caseback looks familiar. The watch might be something similar as the one that I used to own. Check this. Mine was MBK-based rep and I believe yours is too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 The insert, crown and case are definitely not genuine. But a real nice find anyway. Tell the seller that there's a market for him at RWG (if he can source more for that price). The caseback looks familiar. The watch might be something similar as the one that I used to own. Check this. Mine was MBK-based rep and I believe yours is too. The dial is aftermarket as well (but a pretty good repro), though I am not sure about the case (judging by the way light reflects off the inner walls of the lug engravings, I would say the case is gen - modern laser etching does not reflect light). But the movement is either gen or someone put in ALOT of time & effort to make it look gen - good enough to fool me. I am putting my money where my mouth is - I just placed my order. Here are some gen pics to compare (Mazzariol is 1 of the authors of the Daytona 'bible') Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest carlsbadrolex Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 OK< this could pull me out of retirement... Someone want to PM me with instructions to pick one of these up and something even close to the mentioned price? T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Hmmm... Movement looks like a 2483? That's just a guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 OK< this could pull me out of retirement... Spoken like a true addict. How long did your "retirement" last... 2 weeks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 OK< this could pull me out of retirement... Someone want to PM me with instructions to pick one of these up and something even close to the mentioned price? T Glad to see that you have come to your senses & retired the retirement. Welcome home CBR. Hmmm... Movement looks like a 2483? That's just a guess.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 2483 is correct for an early 7016- 25 j/18000 bph. Late 60's like 67 or so. With a better crown and insert, it would be a beautiful watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 With a better crown and insert, it would be a beautiful watch. My thoughts exactly. And the requisite parts are on the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chino Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 nice find! now... let us know the source. "take me to your dealer..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 You all might find this interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Looks great to me, most excellent find you lucky chap wear it well ST4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 @Chris: interresting that you found this one Let me guess...Is the inside of the case back stamped with lV 68 ? @T. That was a great retirement. Hope you are in great shape now @Ubi and Alligoat: so that movement is correct then? That is great news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris5264 Posted October 9, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 @Chris: interresting that you found this one Let me guess...Is the inside of the case back stamped with lV 68 ? good quess,,,I'll take a picture later,,,at least the movement is keeping great time and looks to be gen. Looks like one of my wine induced buys wasn't so bad after all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polexpete Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nice find Chris and a bargin even if its all rep. Yeah the crown guards are not right for a 7016 particuarly at the rear. Can you tell us the numbers on the movement and the case please... Cheers P. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 I think it should look like this, right Chris? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southcoast68 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 This Tudor Sub rep looks very similar to what memeber madmacs69 had post ed about earlier this year, see here http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...riner&st=40 At the time he/she had obtained a couple of samples and posted pics, they were to be about $500 - $600 and I wonder if Chris's rep is from the same source. Madmacs69 has not been here since June appparently, but it's tempting to send a PM to try and find out more. Since Eurotimez is a source for MBW/MBK, can this be sourced through them? If it is indeed a MBW/MBK type case, then Chris got a great deal on it. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Yes, it does look like madmacs'. Either way, for the price of an average rep, at the very least, you get what appears to be a gen movement (I think the case may be gen too). That makes it a great deal in my book & I hope to receive mine in a few days. Chris - is the serial number (between the lugs) 726514? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Yes, it does look like madmacs'. Either way, for the price of an average rep, at the very least, you get what appears to be a gen movement (I think the case may be gen too). That makes it a great deal in my book & I hope to receive mine in a few days. Chris - is the serial number (between the lugs) 726514? Mine is not that serial Freddy. It's 777356. But yes, according to my latest information the ETA 2483 is genuine and the case is good to very good. I have no idea if the case is gen but I would really suprised. It's an Oyster from Rolex and honestly it doesn't look genuine to me. But again, I'm not very good in that game. For sure, if everybody is having a different serial, then it might be a gen case. But that would be incredible...and we should buy them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Interesting about the serial number, Stephane. It is impossible to tell, for sure, if the case is gen based on the pics. However, the movement does look gen (or, at least, it looks like a high end ETA due to the perlage) & that is the most expensive part, so it would not surprise me to find that the case is also gen. But, whatever it is, for the price, I do not see how anyone with an interest in vintage Rolex can pass it up. I remember when madmac's pics were posted, some of us thought it would be a great deal for $250-$300. And, what do you know, Chris comes up with what looks like the same (or very similar) watch for exactly that price. So my order went in last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Interesting case- Especially the backside, where the seating area for the caseback is inset a bit deeper than the rest of the case (both Chris' and Stephane's). My MBK case does not have that... However, gen does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Chris' Steph's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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