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If that's the case, then a properly serviced y3135 should suffice. As MS stated gen function is already present in the movement and no modification of gen dial or hand is needed, not date disc.

Pretty hard to drum up any sympathy for Bill Koch. He's another in a long line of super rich arrogant people who get conned by someone who is a better con artist than they are!! Why would anyone want or need wine that is that costly. It's never going to be opened and drunk, and in fact most of it is so far past it's prime that it is undrinkable. Might make a pretty good vinaigrette, but maybe not even good for that. you could open the bottles, throw out the wine and refill them with any good 50 buck wine, and those idiots would never be the wiser, if it were resealed to look like it was done 100+ years ago. Counterfeit wine like counterfeit everything is becoming more of a problem, as the crooks get smarter and it gets easier to reproduce something that looks like it's 100 years old, not 100 days. Amazingly, it's not just the super rare wine, but also some of the recent top flight wines, those that command a price of several hundred dollars a bottle. I read somewhere lately that a big lot of counterfeit French Bordeaux was confiscated and destroyed. It was being sold as some of the Grand Cru wines from a really good year, instead it was just run of the mill recent vintage Bordeaux. I'm sure buying wine is just like buying anything of value, you have to buy the seller first, know what you are buying, and if you don't know, you better find someone you can trust that can tell the difference. AFA wine, you can't test it, because opening the bottle means that the wine has to be drunk within a few hours. No one is going to let a prospective buyer open a bottle of 25K wine to test it.

Bloody awesome build mate thanks for sharing !

I bought one myself from toro and will be tearing down the movement as soon as I get it to do a review... I'm very curious

I love it!

A little change from the AP that I've worn for the past few weeks!!

Today a watch which is older than I am, Seiko 5 (30 years old watch)

Great to hear can you give us a bit of a write up if you get one. Be keen to hear about this smooth quartz second hand

Fantasyblue snowflake for me today !

Just fit a new dial and matching hands

The point being reps hitting prices where a variety of gens, Seiko and Steinhart included offer: nice casing, warranty, reliable waterproofness, reliable movement, instruction booklet, fast shipping, well aligned dials and You get a replacement/ refund if something doesn´t work or You don´t like it. In the rep segment over 420 usd (including shipping) meanwhile there are really fantastic reps and some of them are really top-notch but often You still get misaligned dials, falling off hands, breaking stems.... These are the first posts I read where everybody doesn´t immediately scream: go buy a gen..... And yet, sometimes lucky: Yesterday got an AP Diver V5 from Toro - astonishing, really impressed by overall quality, including smoothness of stem working. The 1991 16570 Explorer II says Swiss t-25 as the one above, later versions just say Swiss Made. Can somebody specify what´s wrong with the dial and hands? Maybe the GMT hand has a little darker red... Looks good to me, compared with gen pictures, its a less blingy very nice watch anyway. Gen:

Let me steal a collection pic from a renowned Chinese watch forum to demonstrate bidle's point

Mini rant coming your way unfortunately .... With the dozens of threads on franken DateJusts on this forum, why start a new thread? All the information you need is already out there. Normally you're only going to get generic answers to a thread like this, because the members all know these questions have been asked/answered so many times. Now that I'm off the soap-box, I'll help a little since spoon-feeding seems to be necessary. 1) Since you 'have no clue where to start from', mymanmatt is your best source for a pre-built, everything's done for you, franken DateJust. Contact him, and you'll get a quality piece with no effort on your part. 2) If you really want to DIY, you should read (at a minimum) these threads: http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/158976-diy-how-to-make-a-frankenjust/ http://www.rwgforum.net/topic/152469-franken-datejust-journey-finally-complete/ And pretty much any of the other franken datejust build and/or sales threads will have complete build lists, including all the parts lists you need. 3) If you don't want to go with a gen case, JMB has a rep case for a 2824 movement. It takes gen parts. IMO it's the best choice. 4) Gen cases are hard to find, but there are several on eBay right now. Some priced OK, others, not so much. Patience is needed when shopping for parts. 5) The movement you buy depends on the case you use. It will either be a 2824 or 2836 (ETA or clone). And this is not directed specifically at you, but anyone who wants to embark on a franken project of any kind should always do a ton of research on what they are trying to build. It's a very rare occassion when someone would get an idea to build something that one of the other members has not already tried. There will always be posts with the information you need to succeed, and more importantly what not to do. Sometimes avoiding the common mistakes that can happen with a project is the thing that keeps things from going off the rails and adding unneeded costs that could have been avoided.

My Money Shot !!!

My gen (left) VS my rep (right)

Sounds superb