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Why don't you make a rep and then advertise it without lying to increase your profit margin. If you had indeed told everyone you put a piece of [censored] movement in it to try and cut cost then we wouldn't have an issue now would we. But you obviously realised this would curtail your sales, so thought you would try and get away with misrepresenting the movement, and hoping that we are all ignorant enough or intimidated enough not to call you out on it. Well you almost got away with it but NO we aren't gonna stand for being taken for idiots and it's high time that you realise if you keep treating us this way, your existence will be shortlived.

Sorry WHAT?? So what you are saying is that a movement which is in general unlubricated and has no quality control, frequently arrives DOA and is VERY poorly put together is an ETA clone. This movement is not only COMPLETELY DIFFERENT to the ETA which you suggest it is a clone of but a GENUINE ETA or the actual Asian ETA clone which has been reviewed here a few times now, DOESN'T FIT in the case, so how can this be an ETA clone. Why did you put ETA 2892 on there? It bares NO resemblence to the ETA 2892, works and looks nothing like it, is a completely different size, andisn't made by ETA, so where exactly does any of this emrit that it even be remotely compared to the ETA. Sorry but this is complete horseshit. The movement isn't even close to the ETA 2892 never mind a clone. So let's not beat around the bush mate, you LIED in your description, plain and simple. No if's, no but's, no maybe's, IT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE.

Prices are prices and we can deal with price rises it's lying and cheating we can abide. You say that: But the B&R has a $2 shitty movement, that's not inflated prices due to inflated cost. Marketing this watch as having an ETA IS LYING to the members plain and simple. And CANNOT AND WILL NOT be tolerated.

We appreciate the lengths that have been gone to but can you please address the fact that you state: ETA Movement When it is a $2 chines piece of [censored]. Where is your reasoning for inflated cost if the watch doesn't contain the expensive ETA movement. How can you justify charging huge prices for something containing a $2 Seagull movement?????

The legality is not really an issue. It is still a business and they have an obligation to us, if they choose not to uphold their end of the bargain we are quite within our right to get rid of them, and trust me they'd lose more out of that than us.

The cost of getting the hands and dial is about 2-300 USD from michael. Very good guy and very good work. Get a redial and buy the military hands. Oh and you'd need to add a bezel to that. Edge

Seeing as Trusty is frequently posting on another thread right now you would have thought he might post here.........?????

At the end of the day this is simple. You asked the dealer to make sure the logo was STRAIGHT because you KNEW about the issue. He has then sent you a watch which is NOT straight, so you have a right to complain as he FAILED the only thing you asked. It makes NO DIFFERENCE how crooked it is, it's not straight, like you asked. However I have to say that I would probably just live with it, but the issue still stands that you were specific and he FAILED.

What saddens me the most is there is undoubtedly going to be those coming out in support of these dealers, as they have had nothing but pleasant experiences, which is totally understandable.... BUT...this forum was not set up so you could buy one watch without hassle, and [censored] anyone else cos that's not your problem....It was set up as a safe haven away from the scams etc. Which is what we are now trying to do, we need to stand up and fight togetehr as a community and say we don't want to, collectively, be lied to or have ANY members cheated or deceived, because we wont stand for it. We have seen many dealers here, and at TRC or RWi come and go because of a couple of indiscretions, sometimes as little as 2 or 3 sometimes more, now what I am saying is we don't accept it from new dealers so why are we willing to blindly accept it from old ones. If this was a new dealer they would be history, I am not saying I want to get rid of these dealers, I don't, they do right by many customers, the issue is that they can't pick and choose when to be honest and trustworthy and when to [censored] us over, because we are a COMMUNITY not a bunch of individuals. Together as a COMMUNITY we can stamp this out, and demand change because we hols all the cards, they are nothing without us.

I have come to posess information regarding these complaints however, as Pug rightly said, it is not my place to disclose information pertaining to dealings between members and dealers, the onus is on these members themselves to post specifics, I am merely informing you of the outline of things I have come to know. There will however be some specifics coming soon.

Well I am truly sorry to have to be the one to come out and say something here but, at the end of the day someone has to, and it wouldn't be the same if I just signed up as a noob and posted this. For some time now we have been living a bit of a lie, and the membership have come to see through rose tinted glasses. We are being manipulated and used for financial gain. There are dealers among us now who have chosen to set up in business as a conglomerate or "cartel". This in essence should have been a good thing in order to pool resources etc. However what started off as a good thing for the board has now escalated into quite simply a money making scam on the members which has seen quality and customer service deteriorate. What started out as a couple of dealers pooling resources has evolved into at LEAST 4 dealers working together to control prices and supply. Over the last few months we have been embroiled in scandal regarding seperate issues which have been to some extent overlooked and dismissed. Well the time has come to make sure that we put and end to this....and that time is most DEFINITELY NOW. It has come to my attention that not only is this cartel trying to control the supply of certain movements, in order to make sure they are the only ones who can supply watches requiring them they are also: Price Fixing, which will lead to inflated prices for EVERYONE Possibly giving backhanders to influential members, however NOT the Admin/Mods of RWG MOST IMPORTANTLY - LYING OUTRIGHT TO CUSTOMERS I have lost count now of how many complaints I have seen or have been reported to me that the customer service from this cartel has seriously deteriorated, and more importnantly they have outright lied to customers. We can all remember the B&R scandal, in which it was mentioned that they came with ETA movements, well guess what they DONT, I am know privy to photographic and documented EVIDENCE that the B&R super dooper massive absolutely fantastic version which costs an arm and 2 legs, has got a very cheap CHINESE movement in it. I would like to point out that this IS NOT the quite impressive Chinese ETA copy movement which has been previously reviewed but IN FACT a $2 Chinese POS movement. In fact, the B&R case represented in this documentation WILL NOT fit a ETA movement in it, NOT EVEN CLOSE, so it's not as if the wrong movement was put in by mistake and there was meant to be an ETA in so the details were posted, IT DOESN'T ACCEPT AN ETA MOVEMENT. SO THESE ARE OUTRIGHT LIES!!! This is pure profiteering on the part of the dealers, who are now attempting to take control of how items are bought and sold on the forums. We have to make a stand a vote with our feet. We have many excellent dealers who should be getting our business due to the fact that they strive to help us and do not try and use us and go behind our backs to control sales and make more and more money off of us. TTK Narikaa Precious Time Silix Eddie River Davidsen Ruby Sash etc. have all been good to us in the past, and I am not in any way trying to advertise dealers as being better than others in that list - they are at the end of the day up to personal preference, however I would like to see us use the dealers WHO ARE NOT TRYING TO SCREW US, before resorting to using the ones who are. Maybe then they will go back to being the valuable assets they once were. We provide the main business for these guys and we are the ones who can effect change. There are a few of you who will no doubt think we provide a small portion of business for these dealers, as they try to make us believe. UTTER RUBBISH. We provide these guys with almost all their business and without us they are nothing. RWG get 10-20 MILLION hits a week which is MASSIVE amount of business opportunities for these guys. We have seen them change URL without the batting of an eyelid, which if you had a lot of business derived from Google etc. you just couldn't do without a lot of planning and consideration, as you would lose your place in searches etc. Whereas our dealers can change URL whenever they want as long as they inform the boards they don't suffer, this shows a clear indication that their sales are US, not people searching and coming a cross them. Do a search for "Replica ???" anything and tell me when you find one of our dealers, I would give up about page 200 or so...... They NEED US!!! We lived and survived long before these cartel dealers were here and will continue to survive if they leave. This is not what I want I want them to go back to being the trustworthy and reliable dealers that they once were, and stop trying to take us for fools and play games with us and think they can get away with lying to us. I for one do not like being lied to and will not stand for it. We need to make sure that this [censored] stops, and it stops now, we can't have dealers writing utter crap on their site luring in members with false promises and then not delivering. We have many members who need to take the word of the dealer for granted as, with all due respect, they don't know any better. We get lots of new members who do not know the difference between movements etc. and can be easily duped. We as a membershp need to do what this board was designed to do and that is stop the members from being SCAMMED. Let's not beat around the bush what these guys are doing is a scam, and that is what RWG was produced to STOP. We have all got very comfy here with the ease of ordering etc. but let us not forget our purpose, which is to educate and prevent scamming. It's time to make a stand, so let's make it. Edge

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Hopes, dreams and pixxy dust.

Rolex's keep possibly the worst time, they can be really quite aweful. My gen keeps worse time than the rep, so really don't worry bout it lol.

It even has mud flaps, which you can scrape and use for growing stuff. Oh and if you use ethanol, then you can chug it down the pipe above the seat lol.

Is there a dog pulling that heap of junk lol?

this however I would like to be clarified, whom exactly are you accusing slay?? I would appreciate any info or comments via PM in this regard my friend. Cheers Edge

What I find interesting is that this has now dragged on to 3 pages, of which the last however many posts have had nothing to do with the matter at hand, and moreover have not been posted by Pug, who is the only one who can feel agrieved by this. The rest of you weren't involved, neither was I, so please leave it be. [censored] happens, not saying I agree or disagree with what happened I am not in a position to comment merely stating that I thin its time that all the faceless twats that hang about online shut the [censored] up, step back from teh puter and walk out into reality. Any forum is gonna miss a poster of such prevalence, however the decision was made, and it aint gonna change so let sleeping dogs lie, and let's get back to watches. The only one who should have anything to aommenton the issue is Pug, he is [censored] off, so vented, no thats done, lets just move past it. At the end of the day, as most of the posts here have been regarding how [censored] RWI apparantly is, and how none of you ever visit it or like it, then shut up and leave that forum do whatever the hell it likes, as you don't visit what the hell has it got to do with you?? Stick to commenting on forums that you frequent, and where you might one day be valued, in whatever way that is possible online.

It costs a lot, to get an individual watch PVD'd because the watch is completely disassembled, I mean every link is taken apart and individually blasted, so it is very time consuming and labour intensive, it's expensive, even in China.

No just one night, jees I hate how fast this interynetty thingymajig moves, I just canna keep up ye ken, ahm jus a dum ned eh!

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Think you might find I have my money on CFC, so get that right roond ya!

The PAW is going to be passed on to someone in the UK, it doesn't work however I think we should carry on taking pictures of it, all with the time 17:17, which is what it is at at the moment, cos that's when it died. JTB, you want to show it the slums??

Have to say that after the highlights of the pool game show that although barca could easily have got 2, it was fair for them to progress as they should have had about 6 lol. As for the blues, disappointing display in the first half but markedly better in the second, but even the truest of blues will admit we were a touch lucky tbh. But i'll take it.......ok bets on the reds drawing blues in the next round??

We have a limited pool of dealers, but good dealers that we can trust, we do not need the publicity that Google etc. brings. We have a good community in which we know the main players and we try our best to educate and help as best possible (most of the time). So it is as good a time as any to stop being so readily available on google etc. I'm not saying run and hide, i'm not saying that the rep industry is under threat, i'm just saying that I think for the betterment of the community that we have and to preserve the longstanding dealers that we have, we should CONSIDER not being readily searchable for anyone with 2 seconds and the word replica. If you check google for rep watches you get us RWI and TRC in the first page, this is why we have had such a massive rise in members and also IMHO a massive rise in issues. We again in my opinion would be better off not being as highly accessible. However these are just my thoughts, I amn't in anyway saying we are doomed or that the rep industry is coming to and end cos it aint. Edge