Corgi

Both China (in Tibet) and Myanmar have recently been killing and beating 'Phraa' (Buddhist monks), an act wholly abhorrant to Thais....and are quite simply picking up the inevitable (karmic) rewards for such acts !!!!!

Narikaa.. this logic is not uncommon, even in the West. I heard a local Catholic priest gave a sermon here some weeks after 9/11 arguing that the attack punished America for "starting all the wars".

All of those myspaces, facebooks, etc. website are very bad news. They are a breeding ground for paedophiles, child molesters, predators, and thus represent a huge threat to our children. I do not see any reason for these websites to exist except to facilitate the means through which degenerates stalk innocent kids.

Mont Blanc is really obsessive with placing their snow cap logo everywhere.

Guys. We get it.

Movement may be O.K...?

Rolex themselves has fakes in the front window of their NYC store for security reasons, although better fakes than that -

...are you sure they are fakes or just empty cases without movements in them?

good for you!!

+1 post for corgi

I don't see why they wouldn't have genuine 2836-2 movements? What I also don't see is how you could spend over 400 euros on a submariner knock off, when you can get a full-fledged submariner replica here for $100 ... !

Roman numerals on the top.

Arabic numerals on the bottom.

It's an enigma.

I had one mental local grandpa watchsmith give me quite the disciplinary session; first over the phone, then in person. When I called him, he told me I insulted him by asking him whether he knew how to re-align the hands on a 2836-2 movement because "HE IS A MASTER WATCH MAKER 30 YEARS OLD IN BUSINESS" Before I hung up the phone he told me I "sound stupid like a Lebanese" (???) and I should be a lawyer because I talk too much.

So I gave him the benefit of the doubt, partly because I wanted to meet this insane person. I went over to his house, which was filled with clocks and, for some reason, giant lemons (his other hobby). I showed him my broken rep day-date with the misaligned hands, and he proceeded to examine it very carefully. Then he said something in his native Ukrainian and asked me "do you know what that means...?" "No, sir" I replied. ... "It means this watch is a PIECE OF S---!"

He spent about 15 minutes telling me how busy he was, and then he called his wife over to "BRING ME A LOUPE. NOW." So his wife brought him 2 loupes, to which he growled at the top of his lungs until veins began protruding from his neck: "I DON'T NEED TWO LOUPES" (He stretched the "two loupes" out really long - toooooo looooooopes)

Then he showed me his watch which basically looked identical to a submariner and he told me he designed it himself to the highest standards of quality... it was a quartz... ehhh "that's nice" I said. He told me that a genuine day-date costs $75,000 and he knew a supreme court judge who had one (???). He told me that by buying "cheap chinatown junk" I was taking away his business and he was losing money (what?) and that I should be ashamed of myself.

Eventually he told me the service would cost $45 but I told him it was too expensive since people on the internet told me it should be a few minute job costing no more than $10... oh christ then he went ballistic and proceeded to lecture me about how everybody on the internet claims to be an expert and they are all retarded shut-ins and for some reason after he told me he built his (generic looking) house with his own two hands (gesturing as if he was building something).

So I apologized for wasting his time, and got the f--- out of that coo coo clock shop as fast as my legs could carry me... I'll never forget him ' Urlich ' or something was his name. Ugh.

I also went to a shopping mall watchsmith, who just told me he doesn't fix imitations and that's been the normal reply of all the local shops I've visited.

That's really interesting to hear. The rubber straps have been stopping me from acquiring a lot of 'super reps' but if they are in fact comfortable, I may just get one to try it out. Nobody thinks its too stiff to wear a rubber strap around the wrist?

Personally I feel that the watch looks much better on rubber anyway. I think the bracelet takes away from the beauty of the watch head itself.

In terms of appearance I agree with you, but in terms of comfort there is no comparison. Having a conventional SS bracelet means the watch will sit better and more comfortably on the wrist as opposed to the stiffness and hardness of chinese rubber.

Sure

Lucky I just finished a photoshoot with my father's watch:

When you say "Watch market," are you implying a (series of) physical building(s) or some kind of shanty town filled with various booths?

This is a gorgeous watch. You are very lucky!

Lately I have been accused of being rude to noobs, so I'll try to be as helpful here as possible as an apology.

1. Are DJ watches pretty safe when it comes to reps or are there some real bad ones out there just like all others?

If you stick with approved forum dealers (Joshua, Narikaa, etc.) you can be sure to receive a high-quality Rolex Datejust replica. Two things should cause concern for you, however. The first of these is gold. My DJ was advertised as "18k 5mil" gold "plate". It started to rub off a little, and turns my wrist green after prolonged wear. I would advise you to get the slightly more expensive alternative advertised as "14k 15mil wrap". This should stay on a little longer, but the weight of the watch will still be too light. If this is an issue, stick with stainless steel. The other issue is slightly more complicated - it concerns the 8:00 hour marker. On some models, a dash is missing from the small roman numeral indicator. This means that you basically get 2 "XII" (in place of the seven, correctly; and in place of the eight, incorrectly.). Researching photos before buying, or asking your dealer to check before shipping, is a good way to ensure your watch is consistent. If you want to get a Turn-O-Graph model, you should recognize that the bezel may lose its ability to rotate bi-directionally. These are generally very accurate watches, and excellent choices for a first rep.

2. If I buy watches with ETA movments will they last just as long as a production watch with the same movement?

Movement lifespan is fairly irregular in the replica community. In general, however, it is ambitious to assume this would happen with certitude. Genuine watches have their ETAs regulated, cleaned, and adjusted by professionals before sale. Our ETAs are often of dubious origin, and are rarely (99.99% never) tested/adjusted/cleaned by dealers unless you pay for such a service (which itself is of dubious quality). Today, many watches actually have "replica" ETA movements which are identical to the gens. They are good movements, and usually work fine. I have many, and have experienced problems with only one which arrived DOA. It was a small, lady movement 2671-2.

3. when buying reps from perfect clones and they are advertised as ETA movments will they actualy be ETA movments?

This is a very hard question to answer. Just a year ago, I would have written "yes, absolutely!" without giving it a second thought. But now, with the ETA shortage and the introduction of cloned movements, it is hard to say. I can only say from personal experience, having purchased many watches from PC, that all of them arrived with as-advertised movements. Joshua, the owner, is a very honest dealer and it is likely most of his watches contain genuine ETA watches. Some, like the recent Bell & Ross incident, were proven to contain imitations - but eventually he changed the labeling on his site in accordance with the findings of a thread here called "Little White Lies".

4. Will these watches require any maintinece when recived or will they be ready to go i.e. regulaton, oiling, pressure testing?

I have never regulated or cleaned any of my reps either before shipping or after arrival, and even the oldest (1 1/2 yr +) still work fine. Considering full servicing by a REPUTABLE (read: not guangzhou) watchsmith costs about $200+, the value is questionable. If the watch is to work for 5 years unregulated, why spend money when, more than likely, after all of this time you would have moved on to something different? I would recommend getting your watch serviced after 2 years of ownership, where you know that you like it and would like it preserved for future wear. Be advised: it is rare for local watch repair people in your community to willingly service reps. I haven't been able to find anyone in my village who would be willing to do it. I would not recommend paying for the perfect-clone servicing or waterproofing. Sorry.

That said, I wish you the best of luck, and if you have any other questions, feel free to ask!

My Asian 7750 tell better time than most of my ETAs.

I have never had any problems with them YET. Knock on wood.

It's a great price I don't disagree. But who would wear this hideous ungodly creation is beyond me really.

You're killing the competition.

I would probably look at the other twenty topics about this very subject on this very forum to try and find the most appropriate reply..

Happy Birthday good buddy!

Don't overload on cake!

:wacko:

...and liquor...

:-p

Welcome back!

I knew you wouldn't be gone forever.... nobody can escape this... hobby.

If everyone just bought from Narikaa we wouldn't even have these problems.