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Can't make a group picture at the moment because on Rolex 1680 RED is in the middle of a modding process. 1680 with the unknow case MBW 1665 DRSD done by the MM MBW 16610 done by Omega Carpe Diem Cats

Thanks to all who contributed in solving the GEN or NOT question Even Narikaa told us that the one and only MBW 16080 has the 5513 engravings This subject is closed IMHO In the reply of Narikaa he said why aren't you open and honest to this community. This "painfull" remark kept me thinking for the last 24 hours. I decided to post all the PM's related to this subject in his trade review section. It's a lenghty story but show that i din't keep any information behind my back nor that i'm dishonest. In a way i feel sorry that i had to do this but if people accuse me of being dishonest the cross a line that they shouldn't have crossed. Carpe Diem Cats

Congrats ifly65, you got the right one with the 5513 engravings. Chris good job !!! Carpe Diem Cats

This is a true beauty Laz. Again Tribal did a great job on this. Wear it well Carpe Diem Cats

Narikaa i took a closer look to the PM i got from my modder and the picture. You are right there is a movement spacer ring. He did wrote to me a "movement holder " was missing. Agree my stupid mistake. So that simple issue is solved. Carpe Diem Cats

Dear Narikaa, i have been open from the first word onwards and will always be. I read my first post again were i stated clearly that i bought a watch during the Summer which had problems with the noicy rotor and didn't auto wind. BTW this was a GEN MBW/MBK as , you wrote your selve in a post of mine , because it had the one and only 5513 engraving. Yes as i told this forum you did a hell of a job and changed the MBW for this piece i have now ( even left a feedback in our trade review section ) I honestly don't know when i got the second FAKE MBW from you but it was one week after you came back form your latest trip. ( i assume you are still in Thailand at the moment so i mena the trip in Q4 2008 ) I also told this community and you that i didn't wear the second MBW/MBK a lot because the guy who was going to do the modds didn't have the time to do it. A few things drew his attention after he opened the watch. If you look back in this post you can clearly see that the movement spacer ring is missing . And yes i'm no expert and i expect a collector to be one. You totally ignore all the facts about engraving bezel construction spacer ring etc and the answers and opinions of all the members , or do you consider them also as amatuers. The only thing you try to do is find a , what you think of as a , weak spot and focus on that to draw the attention away from the real subject "THE FAKE MBW/MBK" It's increadible that you accuse me and the modder of tinkering with the watch and changing it. Is this the true NARIKAA we see here ??. Carpe Diem Cats

One word "BEAUTIFULL". Carpe Diem Cats

Stephane, i also don't understand how Narikaa got a fake MBW/MBK from the guy in the MBK center ( i left out the name of the guy ) I would be very disappointed if he knew it was a FAKE MBW/MBK but to be honest i can't believe didn't. His response , and i left out a lot of crap , is disappointing and cheap. My PM box isn't blocked for Narikaa so he knows were to find me. Carpe Diem Cats

Welcome aboard. You will find out more in htis forum Carpe Diem Cats

Incredible what was going through his mind. Carpe Diem Cats

Jim, it's hard to tell from a picture if this is a good or bad example. First of all if you like the texture just go for it. If you want to be sure your buyibg a good quality strap go to the link button and then to the straps section. you can find lot's of quality straps over there. Carpe Diem Cats

That's a real beauty Edwin. And it's handled by 2 of the finest modders on this forum. Wear it well Carpe Diem Cats

I've been thinking a long time if I should go public with the name of the collector who sold me this FAKE MBW/MBK. Several respected/expert members told me this is a FAKE MBW/MBK so that makes the decision a bit easier. The main reason why I hesitated is that I can't imagine that he, of whom I bought several watches, sold this FAKE MBW. On the other hand he has a lot of knowledge/experience and posts his opinion in several threads so the lug engraving should have been a hint even without opening the case. I bought this FAKE MBW/MBK from NARIKAA He even posted in a topic of mine, on the engravings of a MBW/MBK, that the one and only MBW/MBK 1680 has the 5513 engraving. The first MBW/MBK had the 5513 engravings but had a rotor which was hitting against the case clamp screws and didn't auto wind for that reason. He took it back on a trip to Thailand and I got a brand new one, with 1680 engravings. I can't prove that he was aware of the fact that this was a FAKE MBW/MBK so I'm not going to accuse him of scamming me. The main issues and frustration is that if I order a MBW/MBK and want a MBW/MBK. I explained everything to him and asked what to do next. I want bother this forum with a lot of allegations like why didn

Always leave the arena with your haed up high. Good solution and lessons learned for next time cleary state your terms and conditions ( i never did either or ask for them before i bought something ) Carpe Diem Cats

Amazing pics. Thanks for sharing. Carpe Diem Cats

I'm wearing my gen MBW SUB today Carpe Diem Cats

@ Tribal and Stephane, i agree that after some "extra" modding jobs it will look great. ( still have to find a decent dial for it ) And the fake ETA is also a problem ( i have to admit that the collector never claimed that he sold it with a gen ETA movement ) My problem is that when i order and buy a MBW i want a MBW and not a copie. I paid way too much for this copie and i also have to pay for all the extra parts and hours of modding. Carpe Diem Cats

OK guys, I promised to give you an update after the weekend. My "MBW 1680 RED " was compared with a 100% genuine ( sounds silly ) MBW 1680 RED last Sunday. The case of my MBW is slightly bigger than the 100% gen MBW. The gap between the crown guards on both cases are almost the same The one on top is the 100% gen MBW The bezel construction is completely different from the 100% gen MBW. The retaining ring is too high which causes that the insert keeps popping out. The bezel washer is of a kind which we have never seen before in a MBW. Even the Clarks bezel washer which fits perfectly on a MBW doesn't fit and has to be modified. The dial is of a poor copied quality , the experts say that the coronet is way off compared to other MBW dials. I will get some better pictures next weekend but this is picture which i took some time ago. Long story short I ordered a MBW and got this watch delivered as a MBW. My opinion , and I'm not the only one , is that this a copy of a MBW. I contacted the collector who sold me this watch but he doesn't want to solve anything if fact he told me he wasn't able to check it. So be careful when you by a MBW . Carpe Diem Cats

That's a beast Laz. Wear it well. By the way nice pics Carpe Diem Cats

Wonderfull piece Sander. This one is on my wishlist for some time now. Carpe Diem Cats

Welcome over here. Doing business with the European dealers minimize the risk of customs substantial. Carpe Diem Cats

Welcome monde. I'm sure you can find tons of information which is usefull t our hobby. Carpe Diem Cats

I'll be wearing my SUB untill tomorrow and the DRSD will be on my wrist the rest of the weekend. Carpe Diem Cats

@ alligoat & southcoast. Indeed i did order 2 flat washer from Clarks which were delivered yesterday. If it's needed we will sand down the retention ring. I feel 100% confident that i will have one of the most beautifull modded 1680 RED when it's finest. I've seen some pictures of the modifcations on the crown guards and the rest of the case and they look GREAT. The only thing which might be a problem is that if you order a MBW you want a MBW. Next week we will know if i paid way too much for this watch. Carpe Diem Cats

@southcoast68 I already did some sanding to make the inner diametre bigger so it doesn't get stuck at the retention ring. The guy who is modding my MBW , and a lot of MBW's past through his hands , told me that he has never seen such a bezel washer on a MBW. Next sunday this case will be compared with a gen MBW and then we will know. Carpe Diem Cats