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He is also a member here. http://www.rwgforum.net/user/48077-dmb350/ I strongly recommend this guy is banned. It was done to Accio with his explorer. It should be done to this guy as well.

I prefer the green. Green with a maxi is great but a green with a matte dial is phenomenal.

New from an AD costs $125 installed plus tax. Same price for acrylic or sapphire subs. There are many on the real forums who will sell real sapphire subs for $150 or less in new condition. Modern replacements don't demand the same price as an original. Even acrylic replacements sell normally for less then $150. If you paid $180 shipped with fees, that's not a bad price on the Rolex black market. If you add in fees and shipping and you paid more hten that you paid on the high end. Anyone asking $200 and over is looking for a sucker who will buy it.

Yep. Nothing gen on either of them. Those are old school fakes iwc3, Thanks for posting the links

Can someone post links. Hard for those of us on a phone to look them up. Thanks

You want an insert send me a pm. Used with tritium pearl. Do a search under my name for the sale thread and pics. Much cheaper then 180. New these are $125 from a dealer.

Hey everyone, I have been getting questions about beat rates for the various models of the Tudor Submariner. There was also a debate regarding the beat rate found in the Tudor 9401 Sub. I thought it was 28800, others say it is 21600. Well, I just received a Tudor Sub 9401 snowflake and can confirm what others were saying. It appears to be 21600 bph. So, with that: 7928: Movement- F390 - bph 18000 7016: Movement- ETA 2483 - bph 18000 7021: Movement- ETA 2484 - bph 18000 9401: Movement- ETA 2776 - bph 21600 9411: Movement- ETA 2784 - bph 28800 76100: Movement- ETA 2824 - bph 28800 79090: Movement- ETA 2824 - bph 28800 Happy building.

MD2020 No matter the story, I'm with Panerai153 on that one. Poor form bud. Poor form. That's an apples to oranges comparison to iRolexU's tale.

yeah...i was looking online on the anchor prices. they go pretty crazy on ebay. do they really go as high as a 1000 bucks? thats pretty insane. Not IMO. Maybe 100. I've got the silver ones though. Don't know about a gold one. Is it real gold?

Good score. That will make a nice gift.

From the Ad: "this sapphire crystal comes with pressure resistant nylon gasket made just like the original. It will make your watch waterproof." A 1680 doesn't come with a pressure resistant nylon gasket so how is it made just like the original? I would be curious to know if they made the construction to be like a modern sub sapphire for assembly to the case. The nylon gasket fits into a groove in the crystal and then is put down around the lip in the case. The retaining ring works the same way just compressing the nylon ring instead of the crystal. Interesting.

good read on the rose dial 7016 http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=30433

Case serial # doesn't match a rep case of 737XXX. I have never seen any documented incidents of a rose dial 7016 in anything other then a I. 68 7528 stamped caseback, semi-pointed CG case. I have seen 1970 stamped caseback subs with the shield version of the rose dial. That's also in line with the snowflake dial. If it's a service dial it should be a shield dial IMO. If you plan on selling, and it's in US and not Euro, might be worth the purchase price. The relume kills value though.

<p>That case looks iffy to me for a rose dial 7016. Should be a semi-pointed crown guard case with a flat lug profile. Not certain this has it. Hard to tell from the pictures posted. Relumed dial too.<br /> <br /> Here are some pics of gen subs:<br /> <br /> <img alt="" src="http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/john_in_tn/Rolex/tudorsubs01.jpg" />/img]</p> <p><br /> See the difference in the crownguard's in this rear shot? Rose 7016 on left. One from add on right.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p><img alt="" src="http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/john_in_tn/Rolex/7016/sub09.jpg" />]<img alt="" src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8339/8196162108_9b5be5b36b_z.jpg" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Compare the side profile shot of a real rose 7016, a 9411, and the sale add one. Looks like a standard crownguard profile to me.<br /> <img alt="" src="http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/john_in_tn/Rolex/7016/sub05.jpg" /><br /> <img alt="" src="http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t178/john_in_tn/Rolex/9411/9411%20blue%201/tudor_9411_1_blue_03.jpg" /><br /> <img alt="" src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8210/8196163946_1b988f89c3_z.jpg" /></p> <p>&nbsp;</p> <p>Always do your homework on the rose dial 7016 if you plan on buying one. Tons of ahem....reps being sold as gen. Quickest and easiest give away are the serial # range and the case profile. If these don't match, don't buy. Plain and simple.&lt;/p&gt;</p>

Actually Tudor Subs never had in house movements. The early ones used an F390. Tudors have always used sourced movements.

Lo' If this is a gen watch which it appears to be you have plenty of options. The correct bracelet for this sub would have been a rivet as stated by Mapman57. You could have gotten it with two different types of rivet bracelets at the time. Rolex made 7206 Rolex USA sourced C&I Rivet. These are made of a slightly cheaper construction and thus were...well...cheaper to purchase. Or you can go the 9315 route with 380b endlinks. Many people will or have put a 93150 on their subs over the years. However, the correct 93150 version for a Tudor is the: 78500. It is just like a 93150 but with a tudor clasp and it has 380b endlinks. Modern day replacements of a tired 9315 will be with the 78500. If you are interested in a genuine 9315 with 380b endlinks, let me know. I've got a hankering for a 78500 for my 1973 snowflake.

don't bother. $1500 is too much to offer. It will be very hard to sell later on. If you plan on using it as a beater, get a cheaper watch to do that with. This thing isn't worth it.

We will have to disagree then. over the years I have owned 3 9401's and 8 9411's. i currently own 2 9411's. all were 28800 bph. If there was ever a 21600 2784 I haven't seen them. Eta made a 21600 bph version of the 2784 and that was the 2783. Could I be wrong on the 2776? Sure. I don't own one currently but I am pretty sure they were 28800 bph as Rolex modified them. Also the post you reference on MWR is my post.

All Tudor sub 2776 and 2784's are 28800 bph. If a Tudor sub has a 21600 bph movement 1st rule of thumb is that it is a replacement. I own a 9411 from 1973 which is very early for a 9411 with a 28800 bph 2784 in it. 390 is in 7928 (18000 bph) 2483 is in 7016 (18000 bph) 2484 is in 7021 (18000 bph) 2776 is in the 9401 (28800 bph) 2784 is in the 9411 (28800 bph) 2824 is in the 76100, 79090 and 79190 (28800 bph)

9411 uses a t-125 76100/79090 uses a t-140 9401 uses a t-19

Originally comes with a Rolex but a Tudor will work. 9401 uses a 2776 which is the no date version of the 2784. A 2784 will work. All subs post the 7xxx designation use a high beat movement. Only the 7928, 7016, and the 7021 use a low beat movement.

You can though I personally would not.

Original subs Pre 79090 came with Rolex clasps on 9315's with 380b end links. Modern Tudor replacement is a 78500 with Tudor clasp which is the Tudor 93150 equivalent.

Watch is gen. Bracelet is aftermarket. The rehaut can be deceptive. More noticeable with a domed crystal due to the curve of the crystal which amplifies it. Younger 9401 and 9411's this lip is slightly wider then on older specimens. Compare these two snowflakes I own. The wider rehaut is a 914xxx serial and the older a 789xxx serial.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=264616 And one more for effect.