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yes it is F520117 is the correct case sn

The easiest way to call out this rep is the gap between SEL and lugs. Modern SEL subs don't have any gap

Dial, case, bracelet are gen

No no, I don't think he can still get this, I'm talking about old River stock price.. Why it has the correct crown position? it's still a 2836-2.. edit: seen pictures

Euro280??

This is a post of Bryan Goh, a famous watch collector: The capitulation of Rolex and the beginning of the end Basel wasn't disappointing per se. The watch industry has been disappointing for a number of years now. How many series of limited editions launched sequentially does it take to dilute the specialness of a limited edition? How trivial need the changes be to distinguish one limited edition from another? How much further can they pander to slender wrists of both genders seeking ever larger watches? How more desperately attention seeking can the dials and bezels, cases and bracelets be? To me the Rolex DeepSea marks the end. In investment markets, there is the concept of capitulation. The astute investor who stays well away from tech stocks until in disgust he decides at the end of 1999 to finally invest. The trader who accumulates his positions from 2001 through 2002 only to lose patience, question his own wisdom and sell everything in 2003. So also Rolex despite robust sales sees competition in earnest for the first time in decades, and let's be honest there is serious competition, struggles to understand the logic of the Panerai, which celebrates a gang of Fascist marine terrorists I might add, that wears the slight Asian gentleman, decides to wade into the fray with a larger Day Date and a clock on bracelet called the DeepSea we pretend to call a watch. For years Rolex has defied the temptation to periodically re-case old movements. Instead they have dynamically if a little slowly made marginal improvements upon the functional aspects of the Oyster, shaping that famously robust timekeeping tool while others made jewelry, what else can you call the umpteenth re-casing of a movement unchanged for over a decade? The US economy is in recession, Europe isn't far behind. Despite the resilience of Brazil, Russia, India and China, these economies will also slow down, although thankfully in their case intentionally. There are a billion wrists still to adorn yes, but this will take time, to educate, cajole, hoodwink. In the meantime the US and Europe, already drunk with horological excess, can only slow down. If you have to buy a DeepSea, wait a bit. It will go to premium as some IPOs do even in the last legs of a bull market, but they then tend to trade lower than IPO price in the coming years. I would look in the distress to pick up the old GMT II, the Explorer II, the current Sub with date. Don't do it quite yet. The market will give you a chance. And there is no need to buy them new. Always be a buyer in times of distress from weak holders in distress

beautiful pictures, and great bracelet!! have a nice sunday

Vintage crown and tube are different to modern submariner/sea dweller (gen)

Trusty's has the same case, dial, bracelet, but a different movement and datewheel (most of recent noobmariners come with a terrible bold date font, Eurotimez checks the correct font, TTK doesn't)

My opinion is that is not a fault to own a nice watch if you don't know anything about watches. Actually my girlfriend barely knows how to adjust the time and date of her gen rollie received as a gift for her laurea degree, but she likes it and wears it almost every day. Same point as "every sea dweller owner should be a diver?" The mistake is to act like he did and to feel cool just because you have a rolex on your wrist.

Yes it is, but we have some people here that could do gen spec lugholes, I'm thinking to do the same on my SS Sub. Then with a gen TT bezel insert you would have a perfect TT sub.

put the gen dial in WM9, the solid gold bracelet and sell the old one. TW best has a too conical rehaut, too strong data mag, and wrong data font. My two cents

ajoesmith has a few really nice LV bezel inserts for sale, you can check the Tools & Parts section. MBW modern sub doesn't accept a OEM bezel insert without mod, you'll have to mill the bezel insert or (better) to grind the bezel in order to fit the "snap in" insert, like gen. If you need just the pearl, WM are really nice anyway.. EDIT: posting with ajoesmith

If you put it on a ETA movement the gen dial will become garbage, as you'll have to trim the dial feet. And about the gen 1680 dial, with a little MBW case rework it would fit, usually franken 1680 are build this way It wasn't a good idea to post the pics on VRF btw..

No, a gen DJ bezel won't fit a rep case. Maybe with a case reworking..

Hi, welcome to the forum, you're at a good starting point. I'll try to answer.. 1) DJ are pretty well done, be carefull that sometimes the small roman numbers besides the hour markers are wrong with a double VII, so VI VII VII IX. Joshua (perfect clones) seems to haev the correct version Avoid too fancy DJ, with diamonds or full gold, they scream fake 2) yes and no. If you service the movement it will last for decades exactly like a gen watch ETA powered, otherwise it could give you some troubles. 3) Yes for the 2836-2 ETA, until now.. 4)If you don't do it now, you'll have to do it later.. Old ETA rep had a better movement inside, now after the ETA price increase, dealers started to use worst quality ETA movements..

I's not a gen crystal, older 16610 MBWs had this "S". But it's the best rep crystal you could get

eheh yeah, It's not the only country with stupid things, but I pretty agree.. I see it every day

..so rare that it has never been produced SWISS T<25 on the dial, sure because there is no tritium at all.. Maybe someone will tell me they exist, but I hardly doubt.. http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=320247695608 http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewIt...em=170215023175

agree

nice franken and nice name "master daytona"

He used this pictures http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=72677

That's because of the stupid law that allows the "made in italy" mark if the last 5% is really made in italy More or less what happens with "swiss made" if the 50% of the watch has been made and assembled in Switzerland. How could small switzerland to produce 1.000.000 new rolex cases a year

Nice work, old MBW's cases like yours look better to me, modern MBWs I had have a too conical rehaut. Could you add some details' pics (clasp, CG, tube..)?