Rolexman Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Some new Rolex watches are advertised with this a new 2836 SuperClone movement.... What the heck is it?? Klick To me it's a regular Swiss 2836.. or is it? Did they alter the tell signs e.g. the shock absorber? Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 edit i followed the link to the milgause it does look like a swiss 2836? I wonder if Angus can send some pictures of the movement dial side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 if these photos are correct, then they have fixed the "tells" for a clone movement .. not enough holes in the reversing wheels, not enough release notches in the balance wheel jewel housing, and incorrectly shaped shock spring. MAYBE the holes in the reversing wheels look a bit big to me, but that could be my imagination. I cant tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ispytonyv Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 There's a blog post explaining it a little further... http://puretimewatch.com/blog/166/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krpster Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Perhaps they picked up some of ETA old tooling. Looks very good. I wonder if it is entirely 1:1 for parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexaddict Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Another deep Rep Movements Science Philosophical Discussion............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 I buy the clone movements by themselves (not in watches) and I have had to repair two of them OOTB and they took ETA parts. One needed a train wheel bridge due to a funky jewel and the other needed a mainspring barrel due to a couple buggered teeth. I used standard ETA parts for both and there were no fitting issues... I have also purchased the 2824 clones and really can't tell the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 HI Justin .. just look at your balance cock jewel housing. See how it only has 1 notch for releasing the shock spring? It needs 3. Also .. notice how the reversing wheel is almost entirely hidden by the winding plate. You need to be able to see 2 holes at a time for it to be real swiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_urabus Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 (edited) three notches in your c0ck and being able to see 2 holes to be real swiss? this thread is crazy! Edited August 1, 2011 by its_urabus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexman Posted August 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 HI Justin .. just look at your balance [censored] jewel housing. See how it only has 1 notch for releasing the shock spring? It needs 3. Also .. notice how the reversing wheel is almost entirely hidden by the winding plate. You need to be able to see 2 holes at a time for it to be real swiss. I think JMB means that most of the parts between the clone and Swiss are interchangeable. I can confirm that. In terms of Angus: the construction of the chassis of the old clone was already the same as the Swiss 2836. The only improvements they could have made are therefore aesthetical. So they improved the notches of the shock absorber, holes in the reversing wheel etc. A true 1:1 clone movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blix Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Does anyone have a source for these? I PM'd Angus about ordering a handful of these new Clone movements - he said it was very hard to get them just on their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Might well be a better design. I don't know. But is QC any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I think JMB means that most of the parts between the clone and Swiss are interchangeable. I can confirm that. In terms of Angus: the construction of the chassis of the old clone was already the same as the Swiss 2836. The only improvements they could have made are therefore aesthetical. So they improved the notches of the shock absorber, holes in the reversing wheel etc. A true 1:1 clone movement? That'll be awesome, if they really did a true 1:1 clone movement. Sent from my SGS II Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 super clone means to me. in other words who knows if youre actually getting a swiss movement now even if you pay the extra $$ i see Angus offers a Sellita for $10 cheaper than the swiss eta. i would get that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I received one of these in a 1680i bought recently from a member. The thing was barely used. The movement stopped working and I may either rebuild it, or use it to rebuild a 2783. Can anyone confirm that the parts are interchangeable with swiss? Is there an alternative to rebuilding these? E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I received one of these in a 1680i bought recently from a member. I think you may be confused with a clone 3135 movement, which has been around for 2 years now. How could you have a used watch with a brand new movement type in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 This movement has a bad ETA seal stamp on it and reads 2836-2. When turning the crown 360 degrees it moves 40 minutes. Definitely same color and layout as the one posted here. The watch was supposedly sourced from watch king originally. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Ok so you have a normal clone movement, which have been known about for 3+ years. Not the brand-new, never before seen Super Clone. And I am confused .. you say it doesnt work in your original post, but in this post you say it runs 40 minutes per turn, which is a 27 hour power reserve when fully wound. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but it sounds like your movement needs a service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superlative Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Clone of what? The balance bridge is so wrong it's not even wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Clone of what? The balance bridge is so wrong it's not even wrong. What's wrong with the balance cock? That's not a bridge, btw. Looking at a reference photo of an ETA 2836 balance cock, it looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 the incablock looks different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 the incablock looks different You know that Incabloc brand springs come in various flavors and ETA uses them interchangeably ... there's the plain Incabloc "classic" and the Incabloc "Novodiac" style ... when you get a gen movement, it could have either style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 Ok so you have a normal clone movement, which have been known about for 3+ years. Not the brand-new, never before seen Super Clone. And I am confused .. you say it doesnt work in your original post, but in this post you say it runs 40 minutes per turn, which is a 27 hour power reserve when fully wound. Maybe I am misunderstanding, but it sounds like your movement needs a service. Late reply. The keyless works got messed up but I was able to fix it. Power reserve actually two full days sitting. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 Im glad you were able to fix it. Good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 28, 2011 Report Share Posted October 28, 2011 The Novodiac style is better... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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