dutchguy2 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 I am looking for a low beat movement for my 5513 build. In my search for a good movement I came across the ETA 2840. this is a exclusively for Swatch watches movement. They can me had for little money, arround 20 to 30 Euro from the bay. Mostly still in the Swatch watches. Its is a simplified ETA 2824-2 slower beating, without regulating device and with a cheaper Novodiac shock protection. Some specs: Manufacturer ETA Caliber 2840 Number of jewels 23 Escapement Anchor with pallets Balance Nickel Shock protection(s) Novodiac Balance direction clockwise Hairspring stud moveable Regulator type Hairspring key Features SCD,AUT Functions Hour, minute, second, selfwinding Beats per hour 21600 Size 11 1/2''' Production time 1991 – My question is what do the watchmakers, experts, think of this movement? What are the cannon pin heights? Did anyone ever tried it in a no date build en what are your experiences?
alligoat Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 Will it fit in your case? Height is 4.7mm, but does the stem line up with hole in the case? Better figure a service in the equation- that will be more than the cost of the movement!
dutchguy2 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Posted January 28, 2015 True, but then again I can buy a new one for cheap. As far as I could find out it has the same dimensions as a 2824 and therefore should fit any case that can hold this movement. My biggest concerns are the positions, height, off the hands over the dial. To low is a no go. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
tomhorn Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 I used a 2846 in my 5514 with HH's case. You can find them nearly that cheap in donor watches too.
alligoat Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 Which 5513 case do you have? And is it set up for a specific movement? It looks to me like the 2840 closely approximates the 2824-2. The 2836-2 and the 2846-2 are very similar. Changing out the pinions should be an easy swap- probably is the same parts as TC uses.
cjjoyce1 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 The ETA 284X movements are essentially slower beat 283X movements, not 282X. They have different balance bridge assemblies, but the rest is basically the same. As such, the standard dial to pinion heights and stem heights are the same between the 284X and 283X.
dutchguy2 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Posted January 28, 2015 I have two cases. One HH 5513 and one Cartel 5513. Since the HH case is real crap I probably will use the Cartel case with a lot of reshaping. What is crap about the HH case: Bezel construction, the hole for the tube is to big and a gen or gen style tube will not fit (I wonder how everybody else did fix that). I know a 2846 fits a Cartel case well, I have one in my Tudor build. So, that should be no problem. I also know that a 2846 will have a wrong stem height in the HH case. Another reason not using the HH case.
automatico Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 The movements used in many automatic Swatches have plastic pallet forks etc in them and are not known for long life. I would also go with an Eta 2846 like Tom Horn said.
Beachcomber Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 The movements used in many automatic Swatches have plastic pallet forks etc in them and are not known for long life. I would also go with an Eta 2846 like Tom Horn said.+1 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
dutchguy2 Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Posted January 28, 2015 Thanks guy's, that is usefull information. Better stick with the know, good, movements then. Out, searching for an 2846 I am LOL. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
cjjoyce1 Posted January 28, 2015 Report Posted January 28, 2015 The movements used in many automatic Swatches have plastic pallet forks etc in them and are not known for long life. I would also go with an Eta 2846 like Tom Horn said. THAT's right..I forgot that! Hence the 23 jewels
DVNE Posted January 29, 2015 Report Posted January 29, 2015 Also the 2840's have no holes for dial feet or movement clamps.
monkeypunch Posted January 30, 2015 Report Posted January 30, 2015 No one mentioned the 2879 yet. A solid movement and I've had better luck with them than 2846's
dutchguy2 Posted January 30, 2015 Author Report Posted January 30, 2015 Also the 2840's have no holes for dial feet or movement clamps. They have holes but no clamps. No one mentioned the 2879 yet. A solid movement and I've had better luck with them than 2846's Don t these have different dial feet positions?
automatico Posted January 30, 2015 Report Posted January 30, 2015 The 2879 has the same dial foot position as Eta 2824, 2836, 2846 etc.
dutchguy2 Posted January 31, 2015 Author Report Posted January 31, 2015 A final word on this. I bought 2 complete Swatch watches to try out the movemens. Most importand part why they don't work for us, there are no holes in the main plate to atach mounting screws for the little clasps. So in the end you cannot secure the movement to the case, so a 2840 is a nogo. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Guest REPPIN Posted January 31, 2015 Report Posted January 31, 2015 I have a 2846 in a 1665 build and it works fine.
dutchguy2 Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Posted February 1, 2015 Yes, the 2846 is the commercial version of the Swatch in house 2840 and works fine. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Ephry73 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Posted February 1, 2015 D, you can use the setting parts from the 2840 to have just two clicks at the stem. One for winding and another one for time set. Side the 5513 doesn't have a date it works great. Ditch the rest. 2846 all the way.
sneed12 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Posted February 1, 2015 The 2840 does not have holes drilled for case clamps. You can see it quite clearly in the pic above. You either have to use a movement holder with integral case clamps or glue everything together.
Ephry73 Posted February 1, 2015 Report Posted February 1, 2015 The 2840 does not have holes drilled for case clamps. You can see it quite clearly in the pic above. You either have to use a movement holder with integral case clamps or glue everything together. Of any real way to secure a dial to it. E
dutchguy2 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Posted February 2, 2015 Good idea about the 2click stem. Need to try that.
Ephry73 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Posted February 2, 2015 Good idea about the 2click stem. Need to try that. I did that for the 1016 I sold I few months back and also on the McQueen build I had for my birthday last year. Works like a charm. Plan on doing that next to my wife's 14270. So far the average of the 2840 movements is decent enough that I can just buy one for the donor parts and sell the rest to someone that may need it. E
bobandshawn Posted February 2, 2015 Report Posted February 2, 2015 Of any real way to secure a dial to it. E +1 DVNE. no holes for dial feet, and no way to clamp them with tabs and a movement ring. You have to use dial dots to secure the dial.You have to get pretty creative setting it in the case properly as well. Getting it out of the old case is another real hassle (if you haven't already done so). Many are integrally designed into their case, so removal is VERY destructive.
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