Guest FakeFinder Posted January 15, 2017 Report Share Posted January 15, 2017 Here are a few home truths about the "M2 Astronaut". http://accutronfacts.proboards.com/thread/2/facts-1962-accutron-astronaut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) You couldn't attack me here so you made a site full of nonsense and your posting a link to it here instead ? If that doesn't show what a troll you are nothing will ! Edited January 21, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 44 minutes ago, Accutronitis said: You couldn't attack me here so you made a site full of nonsense and your posting a link to it here instead ? If that doesn't show what a troll you are nothing will ! i think he likes you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 @Accutronitis @FakeFinder Guys please knock it off. I know that one of you is active in flaming the other but without pointing fingers and appropotioning blame shall we just play nice on this playground together? The next one who flames the other would get a month's time out. Please keep the place civil guys! @nikki6 @Mike on a bike @kernow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Well said Legend. My finger is poised over the TIMEOUT button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Well said Legend. My finger is poised over the TIMEOUT button. Easy big B... for the time being you can sit back and relax by your plush armchair by the fireplace with a fine scotch in hand! I tread softly along the fine line separating raving insanity and lucid moments of ingenuity. The issue is I've no idea which is which mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike on a bike Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 For Pete's sake guys cut the crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikki6 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Right you pair, you've got 3 mods and the admin on here! Turn it in or feck off else where to have your cat scrap! This is a very easy going board, but you guys are just taking the [censored]. Either meet up in life and sort it, or go back to emailing each other, we don't need your nonsense on here! Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernow Posted January 21, 2017 Report Share Posted January 21, 2017 Yup. Enough is enough. This place is not your corner of the Internet to bitch about each other - it's a place where EVERYONE plays nice or not at all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 The real M2 Astronaut facts can be found here, http://accutronfacts.freeforums.net/thread/73/facts-1962-accutron-astronaut-watch complete with factory documentation and factory photos and as always no nonsense ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 The real facts are we are not interested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Sogeha said: The real facts are we are not interested. Do you speak for all members here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Do you speak for all members here ?I think that sogeha meant these:1. The watch or brand you have started a few threads on here is a niche brand and not one of the more popular ones. There is relatively less interest in it vs, say Rolex or Panerai. 2. The watch thread is tainted by an ongoing dispute between you and fakefinder. This has affected the goodwill of the community against you and fakefinder both. We are wary of whatever dispute you both have spilling over here and affecting the atmosphere here. @sogeha is a good member here and a member I regard as a friend. Please do exercise some discretion and play nice, and also understand that not everyone would share your enthusiasm for this brand and model. I am sure that some members share the same appreciation as you, but I think it's safe to say that majority of us have little interest in the brand. It is of course your right to share, and I respect that. But do understand that not everyone would have the patience to assimilate information about the same brand and model time and over. Take it easy sir. I tread softly along the fine line separating raving insanity and lucid moments of ingenuity. The issue is I've no idea which is which mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 Thank you @Legend, it was a little presumptuous of me to use "we". I find when someone has a passion for a subject it becomes interesting for me to hear them speak on it. I love watches and generally have a passing interest in any watch. I am not interested in two people continually bickering about a dispute that arose on a different forum. If either of you would like to tell us about your hobby and passion without referencing your mutual dislike, I would be very pleased to read it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Well I taught myself how to disassemble, clean, reassemble, and adjust a Rolex 3135 movement, Is that the kind for thing your talking about ? I also did the same thing with a Valjoux 72 Chronographic movement as well, It was a good thing a took LOTS of pictures when I dissembled the Valjoux 72 movement because there was a LOT of parts that looked very close to alike but they were not and I had the pictures to show me what was what ! Edited January 22, 2017 by Accutronitis 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 22, 2017 Report Share Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Or there was the time I repaired a Bulova Timer Lab's Skylab Countdown Timer....... It was 1 of only 3 known to exist with one of them sitting in the Smithsonian's "Sky Lab Exhibit"...... Edited January 22, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 9 hours ago, Accutronitis said: Or there was the time I repaired a Bulova Timer Lab's Skylab Countdown Timer....... It was 1 of only 3 known to exist with one of them sitting in the Smithsonian's "Sky Lab Exhibit"...... All knowledge are welcome here @Accutronitis, as long as they are shared without intent of malice, or harm, or overly repetitive. I have monitored you and your counterpart (you know who) and I see that most of the threads you started are indeed informative and helpful. You are welcome to stay and do what you do. As usual, if you encounter any issues, or feel bullied in any way, please PM me. I am still monitoring the situation but the tension seems to have waned somewhat. I see it as a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Thanks I appreciate any help I can get....... That Sky Lab timer repair was by far the most challenging timepiece repair I've ever done and I had no manual or documentation of any kind to guide me..... Here are some pics of the movement and count down timer section..... Edited January 23, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 @FakeFinder I have deleted your posts and given you a week of suspension to cool off. What happened outside RWG between you and @Accutronitishas zero bearing here. Please play nice, both of you. No more trolling and a ban for Fakefinder would be next if this keeps up. For Accutronitis, the next flame post against Fakefinder would earn a time out. I think that this is a fair warning for both. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Got it and thanks again ! Here is what the Sky Lab count down timer alarm sounds like.... The alarm part of it took a very unusual battery and there was no indication what P/N battery was needed...... Edited January 23, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Since this threadt is about The first all stainless steel Accuton Astronaut, The 1962 Bulova Accutron Astronaut "X-15" ! This rare Accutron Astronaut shown below is all factory original with the exception of the crystal and the hand set which was replace with the same factory original hand set P/N WS-25 that came on the watch from the factory and is the correct hand set for this model year, The factory original "Simple" dial & hand set was refer to as a "Regular" dial & hand set in promotional materials in 1962. The reason i call this watch the "X-15" is because of one of the ways it was advertised and promoted by Bulova in 1962 but more on that later, Let's take a look at the very rare 1962 Accutron Astronaut "X-15" watch.... More than a few people that are unfamiliar with this very rare model have tried to say that this watch "has the wrong hands" but that simply is incorrect as can be shown by the many Bulova adverts dated 1962 which includes this Bulova factory sales card that was only given to authorized Bulova dealers.... And as this 1962 factory hand set list clearly show the white spade hand set on the list of the only hand sets that were available during that time frame for the Accutron 214 movement and frankly if the hand set isn't on this list then simple didn't exist or could not be used due to the unique OD tube size of the Accutron 214 movement, All other Bulova movement calibers hand sets are incompatible with the Accutron 214 caliber movement and without exception could not be used on the 214 movement ! The "white spade hand set" p/n WS-25 was almost certainly lifted from the Bulova Timer Labs aerospace clocks and timers which had been using the same part numbered hands for many years prior to their use for one year on the 1962 Accutron Astronaut... Never say never with Bulova as this factory hand set appears to have blue centers or it could just be a trick of light ! Some WS-25 hand sets have rough paint edges like these below...... Some factory WS-25 hand sets have smooth paint edges like this set below..... The white spade hand set WS-25 was also used with the 24 hour dials in some very rare wrist watches as well, The 24 hour dials used in those wrist watches differed from it's panel clock counter part in that the 24 hour dials used in wrist watches are "dished" where as the 24 hour dials used in the panel clock's are "flat" making the wrist watch version of the dial much rarer ! The white spade hand set WS-25 was all set to be used on this Bulova prototype but it was never put into production for unknown reasons..... Once again these paint edges are rough so as always never say never with Bulova because you are a fool if you do...... Here are some of the Bulova ads all dated to 1962, It's a fact that every Bulova factory picture that dates back to 1962 clearly shows the white spade hand set and one more distinguishing feature is the factory dial which only says "Accutron" on the dial and lacks the white "dots" between the hour marks and were only added after 1962.... This is a Bulova Factory picture of the M2 Astronaut that shows very clearly the hands on the real M2 Astronaut are NOT some nonexistent skeleton hands that Bulova didn't make for Accutron 214 movement and the hands shown below are in fact just a pair of white painted spade hands part number WS-25 which are the same hands Bulova had been using for two years prior to using them on the M2 Astronaut for less than a year ! Here is a more close up and detailed view of this 1962 Accutron Astronaut's movement, It's a 214HN with a date code of M2 (1962).... Some facts about the M2 214 movement, A factory correct M2 movement will have no letter or number codes on the center fork mount, It will have the earliest three wire coil assembly with the downward facing capacitor, on the back of the movement there will be no patent pending number, It will have the large model number 214HN inline and angled, And of course it will have a M2 date code. If any of these distinguishing features of the M2 Astronaut movement is not present the movement is not 100% original like the movement shown above ! Now back to the "X-15" desigation i have personally given to this watch (Bulova never called this watch the "X-15") I call this the X-15 watch because of one of the ways Bulova advertised it back in 1962 and is shown in these 1962 date adverts.... And these rare 1962 Accutron Astronnaut watches can be clearly seen on the wrists of the X-15 pilots on the outside of their pressure suits below, Sometime around late 1961/Early 1962 all of the X-15 test pilots were given one of these 1962 Accutron Astronaut watches and it is unclear if these first all stainless steel 1962 Accutron Astronaut watches were ever released for sale to the general public....... On July 17, 1962, Robert White flew the X-15 to an altitude of 314,750 feet -- 59.6 miles above Earth. "This is a fantastic view," he reportedly radioed while flying weightless. He said after landing that it was too cloudy to see the ocean, "but I could see the coastline of the Western United States from well above San Francisco Bay down into Mexico." Calling him "the nation's newest space hero," Life magazine featured a photo of White on its cover greeting son Greg, then 7, after the flight. Said the headline: "Boy, That Was a Ride." At a 1962 ceremony on the White House South Lawn, President Kennedy presented what had been called the nation's most treasured aviation award, the Robert J. Collier Trophy, to White and three fellow X-15 pilots. Robert White can be seen below wearing his 1962 Accutron Astronaut watch after his record setting flight ! In late 1962/early 1963 Bulova added the "ASTRONAUT" on the dial to commemorate (and further capitalize) on the 17 July 1962 event. Bulova had record-setting watch bands produced by a local watch company for the watch given to the X-15 pilots in order for the pilots to wear the watches on the outside of the X-15 pilots pressure suits, Wearing the Accutron Astronaut on the outside of the X-15 pilots pressure suits meant that the watches were exposed to the extreme environment of the X-15 cockpit ! The record-setting watch band is talked about in this November 14 1962 newspaper article..... Edited January 23, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sogeha Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 The following is meant to be constructive and helpful, so I hope it appears as such. I have read pretty much this exact post more than once before. You should be aware that many of us are on other forums. I am on TZ-UK, WUS and MWF for a start. This feels like you are still trying to out shout those that have disagreed with you. This is a replica forum, I imagine most members could care less about authenticity of hands. So instead please tell us perhaps how you came to be so interested in Accturon watches, how you acquired this piece, tell us about repair, service and parts availability of the movement, which actually is interesting and has a place in watchmaking history. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdubis Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, Sogeha said: The following is meant to be constructive and helpful, so I hope it appears as such. I have read pretty much this exact post more than once before. You should be aware that many of us are on other forums. I am on TZ-UK, WUS and MWF for a start. This feels like you are still trying to out shout those that have disagreed with you. This is a replica forum, I imagine most members could care less about authenticity of hands. So instead please tell us perhaps how you came to be so interested in Accturon watches, how you acquired this piece, tell us about repair, service and parts availability of the movement, which actually is interesting and has a place in watchmaking history. +1000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Well I'm in my 50's now but back in grade school I had a best friend named Doug W and we lived in Portland Oregon, He was one of those once in a life time friends where you could just walk into his house without knocking and get something to eat out of the fridge and I called his mother "mom" and the same was true for him. His family was very poor and mine was barely middle class so both of us didn't have much growing up but much later he did very well by him self and we always kept in touch, About 20 years ago I went back to visit him and one thing that was new with him was he had started a modest collection of watches that caught his eye, Of course one of them was a solid gold Rolex just to name one but he had drove up to the coast and a watch on consignment in a little antique shop caught his eye and he had been going back and forth with the shop owner to buy that watch so he asked me if I'd like to take my Jensen interceptor III for a drive to the coast because he wanted to make another offer on that watch, I said sure why not, Well the shop owner took the offer and the watch turned out to be a 1962 Accutron 214 Railroad which at the time I didn't know anything about tuning fork watches but that hummer really left a lasting impression on me so I began to learn more about them and my interest just grew from there so I blame my "Accutronitis" on him because I really didn't have any interest in wrist watches until that day ! Edited January 23, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accutronitis Posted January 23, 2017 Report Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Now I'm not "trying to out shout those that have disagreed with you" but when it comes to Accutron 214's I know what I'm talking about and really the only person that has had a very different opinion than mine isn't because he knows anything about Accutron 214 watches, Heck he has never even held one in his hand, ever, It's only because he has a axe to grind and he wants to discrete me any way he can and he believes what he's been doing is the way to do it. Other than him I've never had anyone disagree with me about Accutron 214's, BUT I must say I know next to nothing about other watch brands in general other than the Rolex 3135 and the Valjoux 72 movements both of which I'm somewhat familiar with. I service all my own Accutrons and I've fixed many others for members of many watch forms, And I do mean many others in the last 3 years and I've never had a single complaint or even a bad word about my workmanship and so far not one of the watches I've fixed in the past has ever quit working knock on wood..... Parts are hit or miss these days but they still come up for sale on ebay although maybe not when you need them sometimes so I've bought whole watches just for one part a few times..... I'm sorry if you've seen some of my posts elsewhere, I make posts about some of the same stuff but in different forums for people that may not have ever seen any of it but would find it as interesting as I do...... Edited January 23, 2017 by Accutronitis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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