By-Tor Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Not bloody likely!!! But how can you argue against perfection? CLICK HERE FOR FULL SIZE . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shundi Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Wow By-Tor, that's amazing...the Pepsi bezel looks awesome and your photography skills don't hurt the image either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 No, yes, no, yes... Difficult to decide but you are so right: it's perfect Beautiful photo again BT. The first one I see that makes me like the Pepsi VS the Coke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC8404 Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 That depends on the watch. I just purchased one as an investment and because I love the watch. I owned a gen Two Tone Omega Seamaster Pro but never fell in love with it. Sold it earlier this year. Now I have an "F" serial Sub LV that I really enjoy wearing. I have owned several reps of the same watch and the reps convenced me that this was indeed the right one for me. Yet, another reason to buy reps, you get to test drive the model at about 1/10th the price! Nice photo BTW! I really need to get a better camera... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swissaddict Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Even without macro photos, when you hold a gen Rolex in your hand you see and feel the difference. I love my reps, but as the song goes... "ain't nothin' like the real thing, baby..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 holding a real sub is holding the legacy in your hands, even if you fool everyone on the street, you'll know that its not real and somehow not feel as satisfied...well for me personally... regardless tho VERY NICE job with the GMT : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nice shooting, B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visualspinner Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nice GMT! I didn't realize how nice of a watch it was until seeing your pictures. Rep's are wonderful for test driving. I never knew how much I like Rolex's until I test drove a sub. Now I'm counting the days until I can afford to pull the trigger on a gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Of course they're not worth it. What's the old saying? "the world's most expensive $350 watch" But by golly they sure feel good on the wrist. Right now I'm struggling with NOT buying a vintage Doxa. C'mon it has a fricken cheap movement so where does the extra thousand bucks go? Same with Tudor and ETA movements. How are they different than Rolex movements? Let's discuss that in, oh, 50 years. THERE is the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianton Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 The same day I bought my GEN Carrera I tried the Sub as well. It was the "real" thing and felt way better than the rep I bought to try it out. I have one saying that follows my life for everything: "You always get what you pay". Sure reps are good to try a watch (for a period of time) if it's right for you, but I can't wear a rep and feel OK. I always feel like I make a fool of myself. Well that's me anyway! Great picture By-Tor as always! Lovely watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I have a hard time thinking of watches as investments - unless of course, you are talking about a real rarity, which of course, you will not know it is a real rarity or its appreciated value for a long time as Nanuq said. I prefer to think of watches more along the lines of man jewelery and something to pass through the generations like a family heirloom. Generations down the line will reap the appreciation value if there is some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gianton Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Neither are cars, cellphones, motorbikes etc. etc. BUT in the end you always get what you pay. I can understand modding reps and collecting reps as a hobby but you can't have high expectations from a rep. Again that's my thoughts after a year with reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 My view: You have to be a real hardcore WIS to see the difference between the gen and best Rolex reps, such as WM9, Noobfactory ExpII or the new GMTIIc. In my opinion, there is not much difference in "feel" at all. I think some people exaggerate this, trying to justify the gen prices for themselves. At least the difference is very small on these popular sports models. Just the very small details, like the rehaut/crystal shine, SELs fitting perfectly and better threaded crown. After getting the gen I started to appreciate reps even more. They are VERY close to the real thing and after QC they actually have very good build quality. Just like Nanuq said nicely, the only significant difference is the value... and even more after 50 years. Thanks for the comments, all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 After getting the gen I started to appreciate reps even more. They are VERY close to the real thing and after QC they actually have very good build quality. Just like Nanuq said nicely, the only significant difference is the value... and even more after 50 years. Yup...investing is one thing. Getting a gen Rolex will maintain value or increase in value over 50 years...depending on the demand for that particular model. If you are captivated by the SPIRIT of the watch then a gen adds so much more value. If you are just captivated by the design...then a rep is just dandy. Awesome pics as always...great lighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Thanks Toad. @Gianton: I think you actually CAN have high expectations from a rep. But that requires a non-dropshipping dealer who checks out the crystal alignment, power reserve and things like fitting of the SELs, etc. I've been very happy with both Precious Time and Eurotimez. Let's hope they'll keep it that way. Also, you have to avoid all kinds of complications, like the correct hand stack, seconds at '6 or '3 and preferably even the Tricompax on 7750. Keep it simple: all stainless steel, plain ETA movements and 12-9-6 7750 layouts for me... from now on. All my reps work perfectly, and the small issues (like oiling the rattling bracelets) I have fixed myself. Can't see much difference between my reps and gens, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 As I told in the past a Gen is Gen its a perefect watch. Especially Rolexes are a good investment and they grow up in price every year. If they are worth the money? I really don't know, but best thing is if you ever invest In a gen one, you don't loose your money in the future buy the way fantastic Picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnCraig Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 You may not see the difference, you may not even feel the difference, but for the right watch you will appreciate the difference. After just getting into reps I know that atleast one of my favorites will be replaced with a gen. (I agree with the test drive idea) And I'm probably going to replace my Gen Rolex with 2 Gen Omegas/Breitlings (and use the extra cash for a couple new reps). JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Are gens worth it? Purely subjective, and depends on the person asking/answering the question Based on the sales of Rolex watches though authorized channels (new) and secondary vintage and preowned, there are many people out there who believe they are. And, they'd be right. However, there is something to be said about reps. While they may not carry the monetary value intrinsically, they are still loads of fun. I have more fun building my own watches than simply buying... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted October 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Indeed Ubi. This is only the 2nd "studio shot" I took of my gen GMT. Somehow my reps inspire me a lot more... this community, the friendships and also the value of money they carry... and the "forbidden fruit" factor what these counterfeits have. They're fascinating. And it cracks me up when people say that reps are "poor value" for money. I can't honestly tell any difference in "feel" between my gen and franken-ExpII, but I find the franken WAY more fascinating. And it cost me less than 10% of the gen value!!!! But I can tell a huge difference between a watch like Invicta and Rolex... some reps have been built and finished extremely well. You can't put all of them into the same basket. Try finding a watch like the rep ETA SFSO from ANY watch store for less than $1K!!! Same thing with my other "super reps"... TAG Aquaracer, Ebel Discovery, SMP Chrono, etc. etc. they're simply amazing... and at the end of the day watch is just a watch for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 My view: .....After getting the gen I started to appreciate reps even more. They are VERY close to the real thing and after QC they actually have very good build quality. Just like Nanuq said nicely, the only significant difference is the value... and even more after 50 years. Thanks for the comments, all. I have to agree 100% with you on that, mate... That was exactly how i felt after I got my gen SMP Co-Axial. Congrats on that beauty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spa Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Can't see much difference between my reps and gens, really. Not seeing the difference doesn't mean that the difference is not there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nice pic By-tor, is that the one from Eurotimez? Just kidding Reflecting what others have said, the value of gens is purely subjective. The couple of gens I have owned I find have an emotional value more than a monetary value. My SMP certainly wasn't a whole world apart from my Skyland, and the Aerospace certainly wasn't worth extra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel Fleischer Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 the truth imo- the feel of the gen rolex has never really been equaled by the reps. but visually the reps can be very close- no average person can usually tell. the gen prices have gotten ridiculous- and for them to raise prices again now with the world's ecomomy faltering-really pisses me off. btw- what is'WIS'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 WIS - Watch Idiot Savant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 By-Tor, that is a beauty (great photography). I own several expensive gens, including vintage Rollie's. Appearance wise the reps now equal the gens. I actually enjoy the reps more. Why? something to do with the forgers art? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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