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I cannot say you would 'lose me' as a VIP member ... i will continue to contribute as long as I visit the board because i feel strongly that it is the right thing to do Still, I am very uncomfortable with the ads and do not consider them 'work safe'

From the New York Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/nyregion/11service.html?pagewanted=1&hp (full text) Near Ground Zero, Much Is Changed on 6th Anniversary By CARA BUCKLEY For the first time in six years, Sept. 11 fell on a Tuesday, the same day the planes flew into the buildings and changed everything. Yet much was different at the increasingly familiar ceremony in Lower Manhattan, where families of the dead, public officials and visitors gathered to mourn and remember. Unlike the awful, brilliant day of the attacks, this year's skies were moody and dark, alternately threatening and delivering rain. The ceremony took place not at ground zero, where construction cranes now rise like tentative fingers of hope, but near its southeastern corner, in Zuccotti Park. The families began trickling in at 7 a.m., some clutching bouquets of flowers, others holding heart-shaped balloons, eventually filling the park by the hundreds and taking refuge from sporadic drizzle under a sea of dark umbrellas. And then, as it has for five years before, the remembrance ceremony assumed its recognizable form. At 8:40 a.m., the Brooklyn Youth Chorus took the stage, and sang "The Star-Spangled Banner," their voices sounding like angels as mourners held aloft photos of people who, to them, are angels now, too. Afterward, the drummer for the New York Police Department marching band sounded a mournful heartbeat, and then the bagpipers began. At 8:46 a.m., the moment the first plane struck the North Tower, a bell was sounded, as it has for six years now, and the gathered masses bowed their heads. "On that day, we felt isolated, but not for long, and not from each other," Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg said. "New Yorkers rushed to the site, not knowing which place was safe or if there was more danger ahead. They weren't sure of anything except that they had to be here. Six years have passed, and our place is still by your side." In Washington, unlike previous anniversaries of the attack, President Bush spent the day in the city after attending a service at St. John's Episcopal Church and holding a moment of silence on the South Lawn of the White House. Not far away, a ceremony was held at the Pentagon, where 184 people died when an American Airlines flight crashed into the sprawling building. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates and Gen. Peter Pace, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, laid a wreath at the spot where the airplane struck. General Pace, in his full Marine Corps dress uniform, told the victims' families that their loved ones would be remembered. "I do not know the proper words to tell you what is in my heart, what is in our hearts, what your fellow citizens are thinking today," he said. "We certainly hope that somehow these observances will help lessen your pain." In Shanksville, Pa., the ceremony to honor the victims of United Flight 93 was intentionally smaller and more intimate on this sixth anniversary, but no less emotional for the families of the victims and visitors who came to take part and observe. "I thought it would feel different" with a smaller crowd, said Tanja Root, 36, of Cedar Grove, N.J., whose husband's aunt, Lorraine Bay, was a flight attendant who died on Flight 93. "But it's the same feelings, and just as hard." With a crowd of perhaps 400 visitors and just two main political dignitaries,- Gov. Edward Rendell of Pennsylvania and the head of the Department of Homeland Security, Michael Chertoff, the ceremony was in sharp contrast to last year's longer and larger gathering that included a visit from President Bush. Mr. Chertoff observed: "Some people ask the question: Do we have 9/11 fatigue? Has the time come to move on? I will tell you that as long as I draw a breath, I will not move on and neither will the 280,000 people in my department." Mr. Rendell, spoke of the need to complete a permanent memorial on this site about 80 miles east of Pittsburgh, before living memories fade. Families of the crash victims have estimated that such a memorial would cost about $57 million and have said that only about $30 million of the public's contribution has been raised. Rain began falling as the modest ceremony began at about 9:45 am Eastern time. Many participants stood under umbrellas in this rural countryside as the speakers gave their addresses and the name of the victims were recited. After Mayor Bloomberg spoke in Lower Manhattan, 236 emergency workers from an array of city agencies and religious entities, read, in alphabetical order, the names of the day's 2,750 victims at the World Trade Center. At 10 a.m. after a moment of silence to mark the collapse of the South Tower, Rudolph W. Giuliani made a brief statement. The presence of the former mayor, who is running for president, had stirred controversy from those not wanting to politicize these ceremonies, although he has attended every year. "On this day six years ago and on the days that followed in the midst of our great grief and turmoil, we also witnessed uncompromising strength and resilience as a people," Mr. Giuliani said. "It was a day with no answers, but with an unending line of those who came forward to try to help one another. Mr. Giuliani added: "Elie Wiesel wrote this about the blackest night a human being can know: 'I have learned two lessons in my life. First, there are no significant literary, psychological or historical answers to human tragedy, only moral ones. Second, just as despair can come to one another only from other human beings, hope too can be given to one only by other human beings."' Several witnesses at the ceremony described a confrontation between a man and Mr. Giuliani, with Sara Kugler of The Associated Press reported that a young man and a woman from the line of family members began yelling and pushing and trying to get near Mr. Giuliani. The woman with that man, Sabrina Rivera, said she was there mourning her ex-boyfriend's father, Lt. Robert F. Wallace of the Fire Department. "Because of Giuliani we never had closure," Ms. Rivera said. "We never had closure because as soon as 9/11 happened he had all the remains shipped to Staten Island, in the dump, in the landfill. And we never had closure because of him." After the outburst, Ms. Rivera and the man who yelled at Mr. Giuliani they were asked to keep walking and to leave the area. Construction at ground zero was stilled for the day, but the roar of an awakening Manhattan filled the air. Cars crept along West Street, sirens yelped, and workers in nearby office buildings peered down from windows at the proceedings, and then retreated back to work. And huddled under their umbrellas, shifting awkwardly because there were no seats, the relatives held up the photos of their perished loved ones, visceral reminders of the day they may hate to remember but cannot bear to forget. "All those amazing incredible people who became victims that day. Please know your loved ones along with your loved ones' families and friends are remembered in our prayers," said one woman, after reading off the names of a dozen victims. "Please know that we will never forget." Though Manhattan was shrouded in fog, its skyline obscured from the New Jersey shoreline, about 100 people gathered on the cliffs in West Orange, where hundreds had watched horror unfold six years before. In the days and months that followed the attacks, the site, at the Eagle Rock Reservation, became almost sacred, as people flocked there to pray and reflect, and mourn all that was lost in the hole punched into Manhattan's skyline. Around the first-year anniversary of the attacks, Essex County officials constructed a formal monument, with the names of the day's victims etched on stone tables behind a cluster of statues

First, let me add my too add that I am very happy to hear the good news about your son. All else pales in comparions to issues relating to family/ I do not agree with that, and would like to know the source of your data. Granted, most of what I have read on this topic is of a secondary nature, and I know the definition of what constitutes autism has arguably expanded past 20 years or so to now include what is known as 'the spectrum of autism' (which includes Aspergers), but I have yet to read where Kanners Autism is routinely misdiagnosed. I hate to see this line of thought propgated because it potentially justifies overlooking what many believe to be the enviornmental causes of the syndrom. Sorry but that seems a bit judgmental and dismissive for my tastes. I know of more than one child who has been helped thru medication targeted at ADD. For that matter, I know an adult who also uses medication fro AADD and swears by its effectiveness so am I.

Your beautiful tribute broke my heart. Needless to say you have my most heartfelt sympathies. Please be at peace in the knowledge that your dad will always be with you ... he lives on in your heart, in your memories and in your very essence. God bless you.

Is it hard to replace the dial? If not, I would be interested in one too. I never bothered to get the watch because of the inaccurate dial, but if I could replace the dial I would definetly be interested.

rite back atcha!!

quite a number of nice PAM's at sara beth's last night too!! 47th street markets are great places for all kinds of vintage and new luxury models. I was shocked to see several IWC's at a dealer across the street a short time ago.

no, you are not. i have a degree in economics.

oh my goodness.. people.. let's not forget that these threads were the result of members challenging the blatently false descriptions of a number of watch features: ETA movements that were not ETA movements at all Super lume that had no Super Luminova material at all 1:1 Cases that could not take gen parts Water proofing that were not water proofed. Regardless of what you think of them personally or their right to partner, as consumers buying goods from locations half-way around the world, you simply must place a premium on truth in advertising principles otherwise you have nothing. This is not creative marketing, these are blatent falsehoods and they constitute unethical business practices. Though the course of vetting these issues, it became clear that price collusion, and predatory practices aimed at smaller dealers was and is occurring. You do not need to take my workd for it, read thropugh the history documented in the other threads. Call it a "partnership" call it a "consortium" call it "Fred" I do not really care, it is what it is and it results in price collusion. You can argue that it is within their rights to formulate a cartel if they so choose... i guess that is arguable.. but allowing them to drive competitors out of the market is certainly not good for us as consumers. I was not going to get started on this again, but this revisonist view is needs to be responded to.

True, but that does not mean that EVERYONE who stands up to Bush is a great man. For all his presumably well-intentioned goals, Castro turned out to be nothing more than a tin pot despot, and a tyrant. I am not defending Batista who was a crook and an empty suit, but that doesn't make Castro any better. And I would hardly call Ahmadinejad a great man either despite the fact that he stands up to Bush. He is a manical, anti-semite who has repeatedly suggested the Holocaust never happened. To be clear, I am not a fan of president Bush, far from it, but that does not mean that everyone who stands up to him is a "great man"

bandidas. The movie itself wasn't very good, but it did feature more than one eye-catching scene.

This is not the sales board. To sell a watch on this forum you need to upgrade to a VIP membership

"on the catwalk... on the catwalk.. i wear my silly watch on the catwalk..." Go for the rubber strap... it looks awesome!!

I think the jury is still out on soccer in the states. True, it is a fast growing sport with the American youth, as it has been for at least 20 years. In fact that is the point. For some reason, the kids seem to lose interest when they get into their middle teens. Not sure why. If there is a niche interest in the sport, it is probably with American girls. Mia Hiam has done more for girls' soccer than Pele ever did or than Beckham ever will do. And that is a good thing ... it is nice to see young girls looking up to a positive female athletic role model. The jury is certainly NOT out on the Spice Girls. Stick a fork in them, they're done.

One final tribute to the "Scooter". Quotes from From the baseball-almanac.com http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quorizz.shtml Here comes Roger Maris, they're standing up, waiting to see if Roger is going to hit number sixty-one, here's the windup, the pitch to Roger, WAY outside, ball one. The fans are starting to boo, low, ball two. That one was in the dirt and the boos get louder. Two balls, no strikes on Roger Maris, here's the windup, fastball, HIT DEEP TO RIGHT, THIS COULD BE IT, WAYYYY BACK THERE, HOLY COW HE DID IT, SIXTY-ONE HOME RUNS!" Source: TV Broadcast (October 1, 1961) "Holy cow" Source: Countless Radio Broadcasts "I like radio better than television because if you make a mistake on radio, they don't know. You can make up anything on the radio." "I'll never forget September sixth nineteen-fifty. I got a letter threatening me, Hank Bauer, Yogi Berra and Johnny Mize. It said if I showed up in uniform against the Red Sox I'd be shot. I turned the letter over to the FBI and told my manager Casey Stengel about it. You know what Casey did? He gave me a different uniform and gave mine to Billy Martin. Can you imagine that! Guess Casey thought it'd be better if Billy got shot." Source: Sport Magazine (December 1961) "I'll take anyway to get into the Hall of Fame. If they want a batboy, I'll go in as a batboy." "There was an aura about him (Joe DiMaggio). He walked like no one else walked. He did things so easily. He was immaculate in everything he did. Kings of State wanted to meet him and be with him. He carried himself so well. He could fit in any place in the world." "They've got so many Latin players we're going to have to get a Latin instructor up here." Source: The Sporting News (April 24, 1989) "Those huckleberries in the National League didn't want to do anything (DH in Series) that the American League want to do." Source: TV Broadcast (September 25, 1977) "Well that (Pope Paul VI passing away) kind of puts the damper on even a Yankee win." Source: TV Broadcast (August 6, 1978) tes About Phil Rizzuto "If you ever worked with (Phil) Rizzuto you'd know my motivation. How would you like to work eighteen years with a guy who still doesn't know your first name?" - Former Player / Broadcaster / National League President Bill White "I heard the doctors revived a man after being dead for four-and-a-half minutes. When they asked what it was like being dead, he said it was like listening to New York Yankees announcer Phil Rizzuto during a rain delay." - Late Night host David Letterman "Kid, is your mother in the stands? (Rizzuto replied yes) Well, stay here and talk to me a little and she'll think you're giving advice to the great Lefty Gomez." - Hall of Fame Pitcher Lefty Gomez "Kid, you're too small. You ought to go out and shine shoes." - Manager Casey Stengel (1936) "My best pitch is anything the batter grounds, lines, or pops in the direction of (Phil) Rizzuto." - Pitcher Vic Raschi The Diamond Dude by Ogden Nash In the life of this dandiest of shortstops Fashion starts the moment sports stops. Since he works for the Newark American Shop Of which Mac Stresin is the Prop, The wardrobe acquired by Phil Rizzuto Is as tasty as melon and prosciutto. Thirty-five suits and twenty-odd jackets Proclaim he's a man in the upper brackets. There are fifteen overcoats hung in line, And twenty-five pairs of shoes to shine, And as for shirts and ties and socks, Philip has more than Maine has rocks. The suits are neat and unostentatious, But as for sports clothes, goodness gracious! No similar sight is to be had This side of Gary Crosby's dad. Does this make Mrs. Rizzuto ecstatic? No. She has to hang her clothes in the attic.

Yogi is probably the most distinguished Yankee if not the most senior. Whitey Ford would be a very close second.

Thanks for the kind compliment.

For those of you who are unfamilar with Phil Rizzuto, he was a hall of fame NY Yankee shortstop from 1941 to 1956 and a Yankee television and radio broadcaster from 1956 to 1996. So he was connected to the organization for 55 years. He was referred to affectiontly as the Scooter.. stood 5'6" tall and weighed in at 150lbs. Despite his demure stature he was arguably the best shortstop of his era. I am 48 years old (OK soon to be 49) and began watching the yankees in 1966/67. I was a strong fan, watched every televised game, and listened to the radio broadcasts of the others. I remember the Scooter teaming up with a litnay of partners... from Joe Garigiola, to Jerry Coleman, Frank Messer, Bill White, etc etc... The Yankees were not the powerhouse in the mid to late 60's they are today or were previously. It was sometimes tough for a 7 year old whose whole world revolved around the Yankees and the Jets (American Football team) to deal with. But the Scooter was always there for us, through bad times as well as the good. In an odd way, he has been a part of my life for longer than any non-family member. I loved the guy... got a real kick out of him. Thinking about him always reminds me of all the innocence and hope of childhood, and all the brightness of a sunny day day. It evokes being home from school over the summer, playing ball all day long with my friends, rushing out to finish cutting the lawn with my mitt hanging from the handle of the lawnmower, so I could run down the street to play ball when I was finished. Only to rush home at night to watch the game. I will always consider him the truest of all Yankees.havng stayed connected with the oranization in one form or another for 50 years and never waivering in his love for them. Honestly, the experience of following he Yankees has not been the same since he stopped broadcasting in 1996. His demise marks the end of an era in Yankee history and in an odd way, a milestone in my life. Rest in Peace.

Let me add my voice to the rest of your friends Ken. Get well soon, we all miss you

All this may very well be true. Perhaps the modifications were not up to standard, or maybe they were. We have no way of knowing. But either way the theats were completely over the top and are ALWAYS unwarrranted, but more so if a best faith effort was made to make things right. No one should have to put up with that.

MSG (NYC Cable station) runs a concert series known as the Jammies perioridcally. One such recent concert featured Frampton. You would never recognize him. BTW here is my original list posted in April. Still looks good to me Traffic - Live at the Canteen Who - Live at Leeds CSNY - 4 way street Allman Bros - Live at the Filmore East The Band - Last Waltz Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense Neil Young - Live Rust Stehen Stills- Stills Live. Nirvana- Unplugged I would also add, No-Nukes.

actually disco was a product of the mid-70's not the 60's. 60's to me are the beatles, stones, CSNY and all their iterations, Clapton, Hendrix, Joni Mitchell, Dylan, the list goes on and on.. just look at who played at woodstock

Thanks for the heads-up! The whitney is an awesome museum, and that summer of love stuff is right up my alley

Just picked up Dave Matthews Live Trax on the basis of By-Tor's receommendations. Will listen to it before the w/e is out. @ montydog.. not sure how I did not pick this up month's ago, but it looks like we have simlar tastes. That Stephan Stills live album is the most underated album in my collection. You never hear about it, but it is outstanding.

your not?? well that is disappointing...