aeromatic Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 I Was Ready to order the trusty swiss eta version but this has changed my mind does this crystal issue have anything to do with AR coating with todays higher quality reps than i have used for swimming without problem i dident expect this from this legend divers watch wearing a drivers watch even a rep that can not take a rain shower sucks!big time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katerchen Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 THANKS @SFA for the headz up! Thats ridiculous and NOT acceptable!! Ok i understand they want to save some $ during production but thats not a canny-attitude to me but rather a greedy Why i think so: I guess 99% of the serious interested rep buyers would rather pay the "extra $" for a little bit of quality than having a legendary-dive-rep you couldnt just take out in the rain!! Go figure... how silly is that?? George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted June 12, 2010 Report Share Posted June 12, 2010 you couldnt just take out in the rain!! Rain seems to be fine. Mine got entrirely saturated in the rain three days ago - not submersed but really REALLY wet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo1nah2a Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Thank for the heads up. Could it be that this is a problem with the specific batch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 At the end od the year? :-( The Ultimate version was supposed to be released in a month or so...It has been delayed? :-( I had never heard a month. I had heard a couple of months and then heard it would be toward the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katerchen Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 @mastrmind well believe you though with that info given by SFA you might be a lucky bugger getting away with a "stunt" like that a second time George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfa437 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Here's what it looks like with the laminate structure obvious: Here's the measurement of the crystal for those worried about the same thing happening Seems to be 29.5mm x 5mm My calipers took a shlt so I couldn't get a spot-on measurement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 @mastrmind you might be a lucky bugger getting away with a "stunt" Indeed! It might be the difference between getting it wet and submersed. In SFA's pics^ you can see the top layer is 1.5-2mm thick. Yet my crystal is less than .5 proud of the bezel. So perhaps this gives it some sort of water protection (heh) unless submersed...? SFA, have you contacted offshore to see if he can get a replacement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfa437 Posted June 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) Couple different ways I have been thinking about attacking this: The 21j crystal is solid mineral and supposedly the same size Buying a 2.5mm mineral and a 2.5mm sapphire, bonding them and sealing the seam with Hypo cement Finding a 5mm thick sapphire (yeah good luck- I know) Not quite sure which way I'm gonna go with it yet Edited June 13, 2010 by sfa437 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marinamm20 Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 that explains the issues with mine - i thought it was the AR that was stripping, but actually the laminate is slipping waue - that really sucks....i will addresse this to Ms. King with the one i have shipped back with crystal and movement issues. this happende after a walk in the rain if i have seen this post before i bought this ploprof - i would have resisted this offer - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prdubis Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 I had never heard a month. I had heard a couple of months and then heard it would be toward the end of the year. Just had a mail from Mrs King about the ultimate release: Dear my friend Yes I just contact maker he told me the watch will be available next month. So I will email to you when it be available. Anything need help email to me Your friend Connie Warmest regards Ms King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HauteHippie Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Seems to be 29.5mm x 5mm My calipers took a shlt so I couldn't get a spot-on measurement Ya, 5mm would be an expensive chunk of sapphire. I'm not surprised they went with a lamination, but this is not the first crystal lamination we've seen either, and they've never screwed up like this. Odd. Anyhow, if it were me, I'd simply heat it up, split the pieces apart, and put 'em back together with some proper UV crystal cement. E.g. "Crystal Clear" UV cement by Duro: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jchurch Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 Ya, 5mm would be an expensive chunk of sapphire. I'm not surprised they went with a lamination, but this is not the first crystal lamination we've seen either, and they've never screwed up like this. Odd. Anyhow, if it were me, I'd simply heat it up, split the pieces apart, and put 'em back together with some proper UV crystal cement. E.g. "Crystal Clear" UV cement by Duro: That's a good suggestion since really nothing wrong with it aside from not being put together correctly in the first place lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donerix Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Just took mine in the pool for a couple of hours, so far no issues. It's the one from torobarvo (swiss). No which one do I keep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Just took mine in the pool for a couple of hours, so far no issues. It's the one from torobarvo (swiss). No which one do I keep? Tough question. Depends on what you want to do with it. If you're diving, I would keep the LM-7. It's a pretty nice watch. I have one #0006 and I really like it. It's been underwater diving a half dozen times and no problems. Also if yours is one of the first 250, it's a numbered edition.On the other hand, if your not a diver, and you want a ploprof, this one is pretty good, although the crystal delamination issue would scare me to death.Even though yours hasn't been one of the ones to fail, there is no guarantee that the next time you take it in the pool, it won't. If it were me, I would get rid of this one and wait for the "ultimate" edition, who knows, possibly it will come with a solid sapphire crystal. I have a question about this one, is the bezel insert sapphire like the LM-7, acrylic, or just luminous painted numbers on a metal insert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donerix Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 As far as I know the bezel insert is sapphire as well, but I am not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mastrmindalliance Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Keep em both donerix! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straight_six Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Just crossed my mind...i read that Ocean7 did a custom run of single AR coated sapphire crystals for the original Ploprof 600. Quite a task as ole Plo crystal has a very curious crystal shape due to the monoblock case. Maybe we can ask them, provided there is enough interest... Dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straight_six Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 Found a link... http://www.ploprof.com/Site/Pimp%20your%20PP.html I'm sure the cost is kind of prohibitive though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfa437 Posted June 14, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 The cost of a run of 4.5mm thick sapphire is cost prohibitive. The Ploprof rep crystal is a simple 28.9 x 4.5 mm round flat bonded crystal consisting of a 1.5mm sapphire layer over a 3mm mineral layer. I've now seen 8 Plopros with delaminating crystals so this seems to be somewhat problematic for this issue of the watch. I would still HIGHLY recommend keeping them away from water unless you are comfortable enough with repair to bind a new crystal and press it in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 This is unacceptable. I think EVERY single one that fails should be returned to the various dealers for repair/exchange! The watch is advertised as WATER-RESISTANT with every dealer I know and this should guarantee that our watches will at least withstand rain. If this happens to mine it will be returned immediately for exchange. Outrageous I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreww Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 Damn, I was going to buy one of these for my summer swimming watch. I see Josh just posted one with what looks like a DG 2813 in the back. I wonder if its 100% mineral glass? http://www.1-pc8838.com/0417b-p-8883.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 At this point and based on feedback from those members who took one for the team I will wait for the ultimate version. Life is too short to worry about the "world's greatest diving watch" falling apart in the shower. Now I am concerned the more expensive version will try and cheap out on the crystal as well given its apparent thoickness. I do hope everyone returns their watches or at least complains on this version so the dealers will understand that you can't sell a fatally flawed replica of a dive watch. Not implying Dealers knew as this sandwich type crystal has been around for a long time on the Panerai cyclops crystals but it now looks like the manufacturer has pushed it too far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted June 15, 2010 Report Share Posted June 15, 2010 At this point and based on feedback from those members who took one for the team I will wait for the ultimate version. Life is too short to worry about the "world's greatest diving watch" falling apart in the shower. Now I am concerned the more expensive version will try and cheap out on the crystal as well given its apparent thoickness. I do hope everyone returns their watches or at least complains on this version so the dealers will understand that you can't sell a fatally flawed replica of a dive watch. Not implying Dealers knew as this sandwich type crystal has been around for a long time on the Panerai cyclops crystals but it now looks like the manufacturer has pushed it too far. I think that would be a good thing for lots to be returned, this is not exactly a cheep rep after all! Send them back guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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