Watchmeister Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I am with JustAsGood on this one. IMHO, it is an excellent out of the box rep of a $10-15k vintage masterpiece. To do a lot better you are going to have to outlay a multiple of the cost of this rep. I am appreciative of the constructive comments but also of our tendency to have champagne tastes on a beer budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I am with JustAsGood on this one. IMHO, it is an excellent out of the box rep of a $10-15k vintage masterpiece. To do a lot better you are going to have to outlay a multiple of the cost of this rep. I am appreciative of the constructive comments but also of our tendency to have champagne tastes on a beer budget. Well, they SEEM to taste the same when one is pretty drunk, no? I may very well get one of those, just for the fun of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 BTW, the 24hr markers are square. They just look rectangular because of the closeness to the rehaut. Thanks for correcting me on the shape of the marker. You prob have the best info since you have a gen onhand. For the price i reckon its a steal but to sell it as exactly similar is probably the reason for all these postings. If it was just sold as a fine or good copy at this price, i think it'll be lauded and many would have placed orders already.. still, i wonder whether that case can take a gen dial, if you can ever find one first... I kindof like the offwhite dials more to the orange though.. But then again, that's some crazy lume for a vintage watch That's like brighter than my Wm9 V2 with superlume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w0lf Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 All nitpicking aside, I think the issue of 24hr markers has existed on MBW and Cartel reps for years. So suppose you get the DG2813 as a base: - probably change the crystal to clark 25-127 with jmb's help (the crystal on the watch is probably made of melted margarine like the rest) - drill out the lug holes - have the dial relumed off white and 24hr indexes extended by The Zigmeister - don't know what to do about the seconds hand with its misplaced bubble (has there ever been a correct seconds hand for this?) CGs look good, anything else jump out at you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 The gen watch that Joshua shows just is not right and why you are all searching the web for gen pics when I posted some good pics of my gen 1655 I don't know!! You can see in the top picture that the rehaut is all worng on the rep. It should not be thick and visible like on the Sea dwellers and on the side profile showing the crown, the gen crown is central just like the rep. This is not possible! See my gen below. The crown is above centre as with all 1570/1575 models. Here is another picture showing the dial detail. The outer markers should indeed touch the rehaut. THe straight seconds hand was only on the Series 1 as was the folded band with 385 endlinks. THe series 2,3,4 had the dot seconds hand with 78360 bracelet and 580 endlinks. Just my thoughts Joshua! and I have a gen in front of me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtanak Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Sorry watcher my man.. must have missed ur earlier photos on my iphone... Thanks for the photo clarifications. You should mod your bezel.. put the black back in those numbers. I can lend you a really fine marker - ok i'm just kidding. Its A VIntaGE. So either someone swapped the dial in Josh's Gen or someone pulled a fast one on him and sold him a poor franken.. Oh no... Wonder what Josh has to say about all these? Having said that, what can we expect from $138, i think like i said earlier, it was the way it was marketed most likely that got these threads going. Oh Poor Steve mcqueen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 so for me i see problems with the dial outer markers not touching the rehaute, the closeness of the crown guards and the crown height on the Josh Gen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mapman57 Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 THe straight seconds hand was only on the Series 1 as was the folded band with 385 endlinks. THe series 2,3,4 had the dot seconds hand with 78360 bracelet and 580 endlinks. Just my thoughts Joshua! and I have a gen in front of me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Hi Watcher ...beautiful piece you have. I have never seen a seconds finger like that one, with open circle ? or black? Or is it a camera trick on the aged lume in the circle? I think the lume has just "worn off" and dropped. I've seen that happening on many vintage Rollies. @watcher: That's a sick watch. You have to put it into your safe and leave it to your children. Who knows what kind of insane prices these go for in 30 years from now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I am with JustAsGood on this one. IMHO, it is an excellent out of the box rep of a $10-15k vintage masterpiece. To do a lot better you are going to have to outlay a multiple of the cost of this rep. I am appreciative of the constructive comments but also of our tendency to have champagne tastes on a beer budget. +1 You guys fucking crack me up... An excellent rep for less than $200.00... What is available today verses 6 or 7 years ago is astounding... :::shaking head::: TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 Not picking the rep at all TT i am just not sure about the gen it was built from, the rep its self is cool for the price, i think a few will be bought just for the bracelet as well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 I agree that the price of the rep is great. I might buy one and do a side by side comparison! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 I agree that the price of the rep is great. I might buy one and do a side by side comparison! Sounds pretty cool if you asked me... Do it, watcher...please.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tridad Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 It is a REP, not a gen, even with all the EXPERTS mishaps and imperfections that were found on Josh's model, it is a great looking watch, and not bad for the money at all. Go ahead and order one, you won't be dissapointed!! Cheers!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Buy the super-cheap Asian ETA copy model and have a trusted Modder fix the dial. End of problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr0digy30 Posted July 6, 2010 Report Share Posted July 6, 2010 Buy the super-cheap Asian ETA copy model and have a trusted Modder fix the dial. End of problem Why the ETA... IIRC, the GEN beat is 19.8 kbph, 21J is 21.6 kbph, ETA clone is at 28.8 kbph. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 haha i gotta agree with TT... pretty damn good for $200-300 bucks.. As the reps get better, we get more and more picky lol Take this rep.. drill out the lugs and toss in a NDT or Yuki dial.. OR toss in a 1675 dial and some GMT hands and pepsi bezel... ooooohhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flex Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 looking good.. & I placed an order... can't wait to see it! already have an aftermarket dial and honpo folded bracelet for it........ flex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted July 7, 2010 Report Share Posted July 7, 2010 Why the ETA... IIRC, the GEN beat is 19.8 kbph, 21J is 21.6 kbph, ETA clone is at 28.8 kbph. You're right. I did not read the descritptions closely enough. Joshua is offering this watch in a high-beat ETA for ~250 and low-beat DG2813 for ~130 ... I thought they were both ETA (one clone and one not), but no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pismo Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) hi all , just received the spécial 1655 (A 2813) from Josh, i just drill the holl to 1,2 must say it's an excellent piece for the price ! Quick & dirty pics : Before you ask , yes i modify a little the band ( i really love it ) for the gen springs bars , just discard the band's end link & the open the tube of the end links (been already done on another end links not those ho came with watch, but same ) so no drill ! Thanks for looking & sorry for my english, long time without practice Edited July 9, 2010 by pismo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcl Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Been following this thread from the start now. some people are saying the dial is wrong i.e. the lume squares don't touch the rehaut, is this a problem with the dial, or the rehaut being too wide and not touching the lume? Also couldn't this be offered with the ETA low beat that Josh puts in the new vintage subs? Great looking watch for the money Prismo! Thanks for the pics. Marc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 for the gen springs bars , just discard the band's end link & the open the tube of the end links (been already done on another end links not those ho came with watch, but same ) so no drill ! Are the endlinks attached to the midlinks like on a gen, or do they detach easily? Very nice looking bracelet; I'm really tempted now. The watch looks good, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pismo Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 (edited) Endlinks are separate like others oyster band , & middle endlink is a piece of metal folded . Edited July 9, 2010 by pismo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Thanks, pismo. Just to confirm: Your endlinks look like this? And not like these? Question to the Rolex experts: Were the endlinks on genuine 7836s constructed in both configurations, or were they all integrated with the rest of the bracelet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 That is a great effort! Any chance of replicating the 1675? I'll go for that too. a good replica of this will fantastic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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