jmb Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 The Crystal form Ofrei, MS25-295 might work out well if the original crystal is a 29.5mm crystal like the SSD V2 Jules Borel MG25 295 for crystal. It would be interesting to see if this "new and improved" version has the same crystal size as the old SSD which I think was 29.5 x 3.0... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Hi guys The he valve looks ok but is for show only and does not go through the case. I will measure the crystal against the gen tomorrow. Gen part number is 25-285. Rep crystal is complete sh"t! I have no way of water testing, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Thanks for the new info watcher, on edge of seat for crystal fitment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 so this a 1:1 copy of the genuine article and the HE Valve is fake...Really 1:1 maybe 1:0.25 this is BS, Let's not buy it period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_urabus Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I've been saying since the v1 of this new sd. Do not buy it! Think of the precision it took to machine the rehaut as a separate piece. Then look at the total garbage bracelet and sel fit. Compound it with a fake hev, and finish it off with $hitty crown guards. It's a cheap knock off. Save your money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke1973 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The really sad thing is, yes this one has it's issues, but it's still the best rep of the16600 SD available......Is it better than the SSD of old? I'll leave that up to the experts to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I do believe the old SSD had fake He valve as well. I would think a phoney valve would be a blessing on a beater as it's one less feature to leak and most folks epoxy closed functional ones anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The two cases with the Z serial number I'm looking at have correct placement and correct orientation for the HEVs. These are V2? I sealed Duke's just to be on the safe side, but in theory, these should work like Gen as long as there is an o-ring and this one is greased and seated properly. Not having a working HEV should not be a "big deal" since the big majority of us won't use these watches for mixed gas diving, but having a working one it's just cool That said, as long as the dorn thing doesn't fall off whilst in the middle of a presentation, we're good. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hmmm, J is saying the SSD has a fake non working Hev, Ephry ...are you saying the SSD has a working Hev with gaskets? Or am I reading this all wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_urabus Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) My SSD had a real hev, and the person that I sold it to had it tested to 200m I believe. If the hev is located and sized correctly and is made of material which matches the color and texture of the gen, the fact that it's faux doesn't matter. Perfect example for me is The power reserve on the big pilot:it is faux and looks the part just fine. Question to the OP: is the bezel construction 1:1? I Still think we should boycott this one till it's better. Because we all know they can do better! Edited February 9, 2012 by its_urabus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cib0rgman Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 SSD do have working HEV and honestly there is no need to seal it, I do not see the reason why; I have a UPO that took to 100 feet dive and the HE valve is not seals guess what not leaks. the watch should not take water if the proper gaskets are there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 W0lf, HEV for sure. I'll take pics. E What I meant to say is that the seadweller cases that I have seen(silix special including) have an HEV that goes through the case. The SSD that I am working on for Duke has a correctly oriented HEV where the valve itself pushes out, not in. I sealed his just to be on the safe side, but it have read that these z series cases have passed the WR tests with no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I guess several of the "SSD" that people have sent me to drill were not actually SSD as they had a fake HeV. Perhaps there were several "factories" making them... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Could be. Even the Manbujishi ones that I have seen have the HEV going through the case. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 My SSD had a real hev, and the person that I sold it to had it tested to 200m I believe. If the hev is located and sized correctly and is made of material which matches the color and texture of the gen, the fact that it's faux doesn't matter. Perfect example for me is The power reserve on the big pilot:it is faux and looks the part just fine. Question to the OP: is the bezel construction 1:1? I Still think we should boycott this one till it's better. Because we all know they can do better! It does not have gen like construction. A genuine SD is built very differently from a Sub and would reqiure more engineering to replicate and I'm sure they will never do that! Also a gen insert does not fit. The internal measurement is good but the outer diameter is larger on the insert and would require too much sanding to work!!! Customs are being very slow wih my gen crystal and I have lost my tape measure so will update with crystal size asap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
its_urabus Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 a gen sea dweller insert doesnt fit, or a sub insert doesnt? the seadweller insert is smaller I think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The SD insert will work, as long as you reduce the outer diameter a little. Once it locks in it looks very good. Just be careful. E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rsh Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I do not agree that the CGs are too short, usually all other subs have the CGs too long. It should be the half of the crown....... I think it is a bit different for the 16600 CGs are almost as tall as the body of the crown front of teh CGs are "shaved" yet back of the CGs wrap around like a poorly made pair of rep CGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Excellent illustrative pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w.genzo Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Beautiful watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eiderdaus Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 Gen pic. I still think the guards are short. If it takes a gen crystal that's good. But the crappy bracelet is a huge problem. The sub bracelet has a Different sel than a sd. Automatic tell. There are too many flaws for this one. Maybe the next one will be better. Which way does the hev press? In or out of the case? Looking at the entire crown size, the CGs are half of the crown. I was not saying that the rep crown has the correct dimension and the crown is bigger than a gen crown. But the proportion of CGs to Crown is approx. 1/2 - 1. One most rep subs, as said before, the proportion is 2/3 - 1 which. Include the top of the crown for full length of crown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prospex44 Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 I think it is a bit different for the 16600 CGs are almost as tall as the body of the crown front of teh CGs are "shaved" yet back of the CGs wrap around like a poorly made pair of rep CGs RSH, these SD pics are superb, looks stunning. What a beauty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke1973 Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 Watcher, you said the HEV is just there for looks and is not drilled through the case correct? If so, how is it attached? I surely hope it's threaded in the case and not just, god forbid, glued in the case?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watcher Posted February 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 No idea to be honest, probably glue or maybe pressure fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted February 12, 2012 Report Share Posted February 12, 2012 It depends on the factory. MBW HeV is merely a stamped shape in the case. No real hole at all. A good builder will apply a bead-blasted texture to this false stamping to increase the effectiveness of the illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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