Avatar And Signature With Sexual Content

[retep]

Here it is straight from the Admin, again:

"If you do not want to view others avatars/Sigs, click on the link at the top labled "My Controls" and find the link on the lower left that says "Board Settings". Review this page and you can cut on/off several things you find offensive...."

You're supposed to adjust your board settings for things you don't want anyway--don't want PMs? Board Setings. Don't want email? Board Settings. Don't what people to know you're logged on? Board Settings. Don't want avatars? Board Settings. Censoring someone is not a solution.

So everybody has to addapt to your standards?

I really find your avatar not appropiate on a watchboard. I think you are right that censorship is not the solution but selfcensorship and common sense is.

[Guest TTK]

Hmmm...with all due respect, an ass is not necessarily sexually explicit, and neither are most pics on here, especially when there's no nudity involved--if you want to get technical, mine have never contained or shown genitalia, but there's an avatar on this very page that actually contains a penis and a scrotum!

No-one is saying that the images you use are depictions of genitalia ( they clearly are not) but they do represent the erogenous zones that most humans/animals possess and are certainly very strong indicators and flags which draws significant attention to them.

Now I understand that Mr. DaVinci's model's [censored] was not meant to be sexual, but there are plenty of brain-dead, comically-uptight conservatives who would automatically think just the mere sight of his uncircumcised trouser-snake is "wrong"--the same way some might think my pic's content is "wrong"--just because his pump-action yogurt rifle is out there dangling in the wind.

Mr Da Vinci’s depiction of Vitruvian man…..is based on the works of the famous Roman engineer Vitruvius, it’s a geometrical / mathematical representation of the proportions that Vitruvius established as the ‘ideal human proportions”…and is first and foremost a ‘technical’ drawing rather than ‘art’…albeit historians now attribute the appellation ‘art’ to almost all of Da Vinci’s work…and rightly so…!

I’m afraid no such claim could be made for the ‘snatch .shot’ that represents your avatar….Mr Da Vinci can rest easy that he is under no threat from your quarters.

It's all subjective though, and to me it's nothing to get uptight about..!

If this was YOUR forum then you would be entitled to retain a laissez faire attitude with regard to your sig / avatar……but it’s not…..it’s a SHARED forum….and whilst I don’t believe in enforced censorship….I do believe in self censorship….as a mark of respect to others…it seems that you are unable or unwilling to embrace that concept.

.After 2 wasted years of psychology in college, a lot of people who get so hot over such small quandaries generally have bigger issues they need to deal with (and that comment is NOT aimed at anyone specific posting here or anywhere else). We all know there's plenty worse than that in Cosmo, Vogue, GQ, Victoria's Secret, and on the evening's TV commercials for cheeseburgers starring Paris Hilton. Sexuality doesn't always equal obscene or pornographic.

The fact that you WASTED 2 years in college speaks volumes about your character and your inability to determine which direction you are headed combined with a lack of understanding of the effect that the choices you make impact not only upon you……but on others around you.

The first thing that springs to mind on the issue of non-watch avatars & sigs is that cute girls and cute butts may not be directly related to watches, very true, but then neither are motocross logos, Muppets, bicycle handlebars, cross-eyed guys, funny mustaches, fountain pens, Japanese race-cars, pipes, DaVinci sketches, or any of the other thousands of pics the members choose to embellish their profiles with (and those were the ones seen just on this page ). A little variety & spice is needed--if every single pic, posting, avatar, and sig contained nothing BUT watches, this place would be as boring and single-minded as a Trekkie at a Star Trek convention!

Whilst some members do have other passion such as motor-bikes, cars. Pipes, cigars….etc etc…..NONE of those are specifically seen as ‘erotic’ representations….and whilst I do appreciate that for certain individuals the opposite may be the case….it’s not an overt / subliminal thought process for the majority of members……I’m afraid I can’t see the ‘erotic’ overtones that may be applied to Cuban cigars…..notwithstanding all the dusky maiden’s thighs.

Variety and spice is very much to be desired…..but we don’t need to be gazing at porn stars buttocks…..there are myriad alternatives.

Now, just for clarification, the issue of "stupidity" to me wasn't the fact that someone asked me to remove an ass from my sig--which I did, kindly & voluntarily (although I wish I could still have it, but I'm not one to go back on my word)--what was stupid to me was the principle of surfing the net in front of children... and not ever expecting to bump into anything that might be viewed as questionably sexual. If I had kids, I probably wouldn't be on the internet in front of them period, and not just for something as sensationalized as sexuality, but that's just me. If someone is trying to live their life attempting to avoid sexuality, be it on their kid's behalf or not--so be it, to each his own--but I don't feel it's realistic; you can't even drive around the block without encountering something sexual (a song on the radio, someone's outfit, a billboard, a bumper sticker, a thought in your own head, etc.) I simply didn't feel like it was my responsibility as an adult for me to change what I'm doing within the constraints of that particular board, in an attempt to police the viewing habits of someone who might happen to be wandering by the screen of someone else's computer, on the other side of the planet. But in that particular case I was happy to oblige, and that was that.

Stupidty isn’t an issue here……it’s about RESPECT…..it’s about the respect that you would seek for yourself …and the respect that other members expect from YOU as a contributing member…..to this WATCH forum….!

I certainly hope I don't offend anyone,

American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source hope (hp) Pronunciation Key

v. hoped, hop·ing, hopes

v. intr.

To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment.

Archaic. To have confidence; trust.

v. tr.

To look forward to with confidence or expectation: We hope that our children will be successful.

To expect and desire. See Synonyms at expect.

There is absolutely NO need for you to express hope…..by definition as above…..’a wish”……all you have to do is remove the offensive avatar / sig from your forum ID…..and you may realize the fulfiullment of your ‘hope’ / ‘wish’..!.

I'm merely trying to post a pretty picture. We all post things that are nice to look at, be it women, watches, landscapes, sports, or cars--that's why this board exists. Simple aesthetics; the appreciation of a handsome watch.

Then please post some ‘pretty” pictures of some nice watches….if we want to see ‘pretty’ women…we all have the facility to seek that outwith the confines of this board.

Edited November 8, 2006 by TTK

[Guest TTK]

Lol!

Wow...such bitter hostility & anger in people! Jesus...

First and foremost…I have no bitterness nor hostility towards you….I don’t know you from a warm pisshole in the snow….why would I angry at you.

You'd think a salesman would be smart enough to maybe be a bit more diplomatic in his approach to addressing someone, or at least a bit more calm & nicer as I have attempted to be in addressing others...every member of the board is a potential customer, after all! From your rude harshness and insulting tongue I see how easily you were offended by a simple picture. Considering the substantial sum I've spent recently with most of the dealers on all the boards, I'm not sure what to think about your remarks, but I'd bet you'd still take my money. Now that's a conundrum!

Well….it seems you’re omniscient and yet oblivious to those around you…..you’ve spent a lot of money with the dealers…..huh…..seems it’s all about YOU…YOU…YOU…why I should show you any respect …when you are so unwilling to show it to others….it’s all about what YOU expect……not about what WE expect……and believe me….even if you had bought from me…..the fact that you had….doesn’t ensure that I’ll touch my forelock and pledge unswerving fealty to you…..!

(now that's retorical--no need to blast back with how you'd never take my money, or you would for spite, etc)

I never take money from ANY member……I post a photograph of an item for sale…and they OFFER their money in exchange….it’s what I call…a win-win situation……which can’t be said about your stance regarding YOUR avatar…..someone has to lose in your case…..if he switches off the avatars…then he loses ALL avatars…….if he doesn’t…he loses the ability to share his hobby with others around him…..!

Spite is a wasteful emotion and not part of my makeup…..if I decide that I don’t wish to engage with you…..I don’t…regardless of money…..I’m in that fortune position where I can pick and choose…!

It might behoove you to keep in mind those "trailer trash", as it were, are the ones who pay your salary by buying your illegal merchandise, TTK. So if it's a question of morals or respect that leads you to slander other people, I seriously wonder what the authorities would have to say about the way you ply your trade; just a thought. Another conundrum.

Once again….you’re confused…I don’t have a salary…..I’m retired…..and enjoy my hobby….if I needed a salary….believe me …I wouldn’t be posting in this topic…nor addressing you…MY potential customer….as for trailer trash…..I certainly hold the belief as do other member / dealers I have spoken with….that there is considerable representation here.

I also feel that someone who so strongly supports the manufacture and sale of counterfeit merchandise--that break countless international copyright, trademark, & intellectual property laws--has their moral high-ground yanked out from underneath them attempting to make such arguments. Not a threat in any way, shape, or form, but just for the sake of argument, I think people's children, friends, or families might question Federal agents busting up people's houses & offices, issuing search & seizure warrants might touch closer to the subject of what their children would or wouldn't want to see a lot more than a picture of somebody's ass. How about a picture of someone's father, brother, or best-friend on the evening news? But don't worry, I'm guilty of possessing the same myself.

The legality or illegality of the hobby in which I participate is not at question…..and I certainly don’t take any kind of ‘moral’ high ground……I live in Thailand …where I can’t afford the luxury of taking a high moral stance with regard to ‘nudity’….loose morals…etc etc….and last I heard …no US citizen is or was in danger of any Federal agent busting up their house…for looking at a forum regarding the discussion of watches…both rep and genuine…..even to the extent that I believe no federal agent can obtain a search or seizure warrant with regard to BUYING replica watches…..SELLING …yes……and given the choice of any child seeing either a watch….gen or rep…..or a photo of your bint’s ass….I know where I am heading.

I almost feel like that statement is as childishly ignorant and uneducated as those who compare the people who don't agree with their politics to the proverbial "Hitler". My girl doesn't mind being photographed and actually encourages it. She knows that the object of those prints were merely to capture the image of a nice ass, which I happen to thoroughly enjoy, and not to objectify her.

Then I’m glad I have retained a sense of childish ignorance….as for ignorance…..well as one members signature states….”I’m not young enough to know EVERYTHING.

As for you girlfriend and your photo opportunities….that’s entirely your prerogative…..please spare us the pleasure of sharing in your petty sexual foibles…..I don’t need it…as I’m sure most other members don’t….!

I’m sure your girlfriend doesn’t mind being photographed….I do so look forward to her acceptance speech at next year’s AFN Vivid Awards…..when she’s accepting her award for best DP scene….!

I'm also sure if she were to reiterate to you the way she feels she is treated or thought of by me--or any human being for that matter, female or male--her opinion would be anything but that; I'm currently putting her through university as well, so she can better herself. We met at a fund-raising dinner for members of the Florida Holocaust Museum for Christ's sake; I worship her mind in the same way that I worship her beauty and fully encourage her to pursue any avenue she deems fit. I'm a very liberal-minded person, and by the mere definition of the word, I'm also a feminist when it comes down to the political nature of that argument. Not all material of a sexual nature is objectification. Some of it is glorification (check out www.suicidegirls.com if you haven't seen it already. I worked with one of the girls who started it; quite a nice site! It's cheap and part of their proceeds go to charitable causes)

Whilst I appreciate the depth of your altruistic leanings…..it has little to do with the matter at hand…..which is quite simple….I DON’T WISH TO SEE YOUR CHICKS ASS on this board…and I’m almost certain that the members of the Florida Holocaust Museum wouldn’t want to see it either…however………please feel free to send me a direct link to your website…where I can gaze longingly and perhaps choke my chicken for hours on end…at my discretion…....but NOT on this board…..when you present it here…..it’s not discretionary….!

As for ‘objectification”……And on the subject of female objectification...!

I'm currently putting her through university as well, so she can better herself

YOU’RE currently putting her thru’ university…..the presumption being that she’s either not driven to do it….or is incapable……which is it…..and just exactly who is it designed to please more.

"Gash"? That's a bit harsh and ill worded...besides, where exactly do you see her "gash"?

"Bint"? Would you rather just go a little further into that hypocricy (while arguing about the objectification of women) and call my girl a "[censored]"?...

If the shoe fits …..wear it…..!

Well, I did gain a Bachelor's degree from that experience...and an MBA...and I'm currently working on a law degree, so I'd say I'd got something out of it. Especially those two years of psychology--I think they've given me the ability to break your emotionally-charged rants down to their lowest common denominator.

Confusion again…..my responses are anything but emotional…..as for your Bachelor’s Degree….I can obtain any amount of those on the Web….degrees are everywhere…at variable pricing…....common sense is way more valuable..!

Actually, my fiancé' being on birth-control is why.

Well…there’s a blessing….let’s hope it continues….we wouldn’t want to see the propagation of your seed….!

That, and the fact that we don't have a need for children in this stage of our careers.

NEED…is that how you see children…as a need…an entitlement….…how self centred…....like the need for an I-Pod….or a Blackberry….you definitely need to stop watching American Psycho….it’s effect is far too obvious…!

That's called intelligent planning--another thing one receives from an education (besides the ability to spell properly, as you will shortly demonstarte...) j/k--I know how hard it is to spell-check, when all you want to do is reply quickly.

Generalizations again….an education doesn’t guarantee that you have the capacity to plan for anything…..life has a few lessons to teach you yet…..such as there is no 100% effective method of birth control….aside from abstinence.

"Come and go" like all the other contraban dealers in the world out there?

No….come and go….as in ‘like all the other contraband BUYERS in the world out there..!

Hmmm... artist who owned his own 501c3 non-for-profit gallery & studio by the time he was 28, who used to make a living shooting fashion photography in Ft. Lauderdale & Miami...c'mon, where do you think I meet the models? Uncreative?...unimaginative?...nah...

Woohoo…..a degree….an artist……..AND a fashion photographer…..meeting all those models in wonderful Ft Lauderdale and Miami…..well……blow my socks off……what am I doing in this backwater……beats me…..!

Isn’t the WWW….a wonderful place…..you can just create ANY ID or history you want……and nobody can dispute it……so….I CONCEDE……..YOU WIN……YOU ARE CREATIVE…..AND OH SO IMAGINATIVE…..I MEAN LOOK AT THE ONLINE PERSONA YOU’VE CREATED…..!

I personally don't feel like I should have to turn the page, or change the channel, or read a different article, or walk out of the movie I don't like, or even turn my head in public not to see that God-awful outfit, or plug my ears when some racist is spewing hatred, but I have to. We all do. It's how we allow others to express themselves; freedom of expression and all the arguments that implies.

Of course you shouldn’t……it’s waay too much of an INCONVENIENCE and interferes with how you wish to EXPRESS yourself…..what are the other members thinking….how SELFISH of them…..ban them all….!

What exactly makes a great member? Someone who doesn't lurk and contributes frequently, helps others & shares their knowledge? Posts lots of relevant pics daily & constantly makes on-topic threads like the rest of the community? Sells their wares at decent prices to other members and also helps pad the pockets of plenty of our dealers, while contributing financially to the board itself at the same time? I'd say that describes me too.

A lot of members don't really go to that length, unfortunately.

Not something I fear you’ll ever know…..a lot of members do go to that length…..without resorting to EXPRESSIONS that other members find offensive.

I whole heartedly agree. Just look at my join date in my profile--only 2 short months ago, and already I'm over 200 posts deep, building my knowledge & attempting to help others do the same (with the modicum I have) and probably $3 k lighter from watches & tools!

Me…Me…Me…..Me….look at how wonderful I am…!

That’s the difference between a member such as By-Tor…..or The Zigmeister…..it’s not about Me…Me…Me….with them….or the myriad of other excellent members here.

But on the issue of children, a watch forum (or any forum for that matter) supporting & condoning illegal activity is nothing that a responsible parent should really involve their children with. A gen watch forum sure, by all means, but eventually that child will probably enquire to daddy or mommy as to why he doesn't think it's wrong to support smuggling illegal merchandise, when all his teachers and all the news channels tell him it is.

I’d be more inclined to educate my children in matters relating to how they treat and respect others …than worry about large corporations complaining to Government that there portfolio is being affected by the number of fakes being produced out there…as well as instilling a sense of perspective with regard to the exploitation of children and young adults by same large corporations who seek to persuade them that they have no status unless they are wearing the same jeans or carrying the same bag as Paris Hilton.

There's an infinite # of arguments available on an infinite number of topics from pics to posts & opinions that anyone can take offense to, anywhere, anytime. Now God only knows how many rebuttals and replies have been thrown up since I started typing this one out, but in all honesty, I don't think anyone's pictures or posts are that big of a deal.

Me….me….me….again….!

I've stated it before and will again, I honestly intend to offend no one. But on the same token being able to express myself through a couple of simple pictures if a wonderful freedom.

If I can hold my emotions back to not act in a childish manner or insult & slander a fellow member (over any issue), then other people should be able to do the same. And truly, no hard feelings at all.

so you…expect to be shown respect and consideration…whilst extending no respect for the feelings of others…..RESPECT is gained….it’s not written into any constitution.

PS: Here's a quote from an Admin:

"If you do not want to view others avatars/Sigs, click on the link at the top labled "My Controls" and find the link on the lower left that says "Board Settings". Review this page and you can cut on/off several things you find offensive...."

Unfortunately….that then DEPRIVES some members of the ability to SEE signatures…..such as By-Tor’s excellent reviews…..or indeed even my signature….which advises people on how to order from me…..!

Simple consideration on your part….and others of your ilk…..would simplify this matter….and also ensure that we DO NOT have to participate in any other discussion of this type of matter.

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[watchgrl]

I find myself frequenting and posting on this forum less and less because of some of the avatars and sigs. I just don't feel it is a necessary part of a watch forum. Every month I pay my membership I wonder why I continue to support a site that allows porn to be linked to watches...be it soft porn, hard porn or pictures items of a general sexual nature. Some offend me, some I just find in poor taste. There are times I can't help but wonder why I am part of a community where some of the members obviously have very little respect for women.

Posting an avatar with one woman's hand on another woman's genitals is classless. A way to express yourself? Please. :yucky: How about expressing yourself through your posts rather than a girl's crotch?

[nxuan]

I find myself frequenting and posting on this forum less and less because of some of the avatars and sigs. I just don't feel it is a necessary part of a watch forum. Every month I pay my membership I wonder why I continue to support a site that allows porn to be linked to watches...be it soft porn, hard porn or pictures items of a general sexual nature. Some offends me, some I just find in poor taste. There are time can't help but wonder why I am part of a community where some of the members obviously have very little respect for women.

Posting an avatar with one woman's hand on another woman's genitals is classless. A way to express yourself? Please. :yucky: How about expressing yourself through your posts rather than a girl's crotch?

[ubiquitous]

Personally, I'm not offended by the avatars with sexual content, but I do find them to be in poor taste. Very low class, and a reflection upon the individual using it. What does that tell you about that person?

There is a time and place for everything... Even on this forum. If you feel you must post images like this, please keep it in the Girls Girls Gilrs thread. That way, folks can opt to view it or not. If people want to see your girl's ass, they can see it there.

In addition, if one is so highly educated and accomplished, then act like it. The use of sexual content in your avatar and/or sig screams 'look at me... I need attention'. The whole 'me, me, me' aspect of it all just confirms it even more. Look what I can do. Look at how much I have spent. Look at MY educational background. Look at MY girlfriend Look at me, look at me, look at me.

Sad. Very sad.

[pro expert dan]

I find myself frequenting and posting on this forum less and less because of some of the avatars and sigs. I just don't feel it is a necessary part of a watch forum. Every month I pay my membership I wonder why I continue to support a site that allows porn to be linked to watches...be it soft porn, hard porn or pictures items of a general sexual nature. Some offends me, some I just find in poor taste. There are time can't help but wonder why I am part of a community where some of the members obviously have very little respect for women.

Posting an avatar with one woman's hand on another woman's genitals is classless. A way to express yourself? Please. :yucky: How about expressing yourself through your posts rather than a girl's crotch?

I couldn't agree more. I'm also not personally offended but I have respects for others who may be and therefore I am against them. I am not even going to mention the size of some of the sigs, eg. gioarmani.

Edited November 8, 2006 by pro expert dan

[Pugwash]

I find myself frequenting and posting on this forum less and less because of some of the avatars and sigs.

And that's all she needs to say.

If ever an argument has been driven into the weeds with an opening sentence, that was the sentence to do it.

People, grow the [censored] up and clean up your acts. You're driving the girls away with your puerile avatars and sigs.

[Guest TTK]

@Puggy...I think they're 'puerile' and 'prurient'.....

@watchgrl...please don't let those members who haven't shirked off their 'jock' mentality drive you away....there are many members here who would like to see more participation from our lady members...!

Edited November 8, 2006 by TTK

[slay]

Yeah, I sort of wondered about that myself (for obvious reasons), but then I thought it's not what you find on the internet at work that's wrong, it the principle of using the internet--period--at work that's wrong. No offence, ciborgman.

On another board I was actually asked to remove my sig & avatar because someone didn't want their "kids seeing it while they were surfing the net on their laptop in the living room while the little ones watched TV"... I'm not even to go into the rebuttle for that kind of stupidity. You can see Adriana Lima's tight little ass in booty-shorts in Victoria's Secrets ads on CNN.com's splash-page for Christ's sake.

I'm quite liberal when it comes to sex stuff and how girls dress, but I would not want my wife or my kids to see your avartar. Because I know what I would think If I saw this on someones laptop screen!

Noone would think that this someone is browsing through a watch forum.

Wouldnt you feel awkward when your kid comes into the living room and sees you watching a movie. And just in the very moment your wife enters, there is a couple shown while having sex. "She would probably think WTF is he watching???"

[slay]

I find myself frequenting and posting on this forum less and less because of some of the avatars and sigs. I just don't feel it is a necessary part of a watch forum. Every month I pay my membership I wonder why I continue to support a site that allows porn to be linked to watches...be it soft porn, hard porn or pictures items of a general sexual nature. Some offend me, some I just find in poor taste. There are times I can't help but wonder why I am part of a community where some of the members obviously have very little respect for women.

Posting an avatar with one woman's hand on another woman's genitals is classless. A way to express yourself? Please. :yucky: How about expressing yourself through your posts rather than a girl's crotch?

Just because someone likes porn and womens ass, doesnt mean he has very little repect for women in general, please keep this in mind! I love girls ass, but the repect I have for a person depends on his character and how he behaves when interacting with me, and not his gender!

[Usil]

I have avoided this thread for several days and this is the first time I have looked at it (at work past 5 pm). I have had this general complaint before. To me, it is not a question of sexuality or beauty or even a moral question up for discussion. It is just that THIS IS A WATCH FORUM FOR GOD SAKE. It is in poor taste and to keep doing it in spite of the serious objections already put forth by members shows very poor judgement and sensitivity to the forum community.

So, will you stop it?

Usil

[Starbug]

Since almost everyone has posted their thoughts.. here are mine.

Firstly, I don't have any problem with the pics.

However, after reading the strength of opinions, it would seem that that this type of material has it's place, and - given the feedback - that place is not on a watch forum, or more specifically, this particular watch forum.

There are many avatars and sigs with female figures in them. Is is necessary?.. Probably not!.. I do enjoy most of them though.. but some people don't. And if it's putting people off visiting or participating then that's not a good thing for the overall community.

Perhaps there are a few options to resolve this :-

1. Stop using them

2. Have a democratic forum vote as to whether they should be allowed

3. Continue as normal, and anyone who doesn't like them can remove the option in their profile, or stop visiting..

I have to say though, that although I'm in favour of keeping them, so long as they don't go overboard (some of them are borderline!)..

BUT!! - The fact that people are being put off visiting, or have to disable all sigs just to block one or two sigs can't be a good thing.

That's my 2 Euros!

[Cucumber_Jones]

I would like to see some more members step up and express thier opinions here. I think the most important issue is respect for others.

A good point was made about electing to supress all sigs and avs - that is there are more good then bad and if this is the answer then we will miss many valuable signatures.

BTW many of us are our own bosses so we can use the internet when ever we want.

[TJGladeRaider]

Surfing at work is theft.

You contracted to exchange your time and labour for cash.

You are in breach of contract.

You are a thief.

My Goodness -- our favorite whoreologist must have fallen from the wrong side of the bed.

Lemme see . . . just because I seem to be hopelessly conflicted by confusion . . . aren't we on a board dedicated to the theft of generally recognized intellectual property rights?

Now, even assuming (not that I would) that surfing the net while at work were to be a "breach of contract," could someone point me to the appropriate state or federal criminal code section that covers "breach of contract?"

I suppose one might argue that using your employer's internet access for personal use is a theft by conversion, that would also seem to be quite a reach -- unless there is such a draconian policy published in that particular work place. Otherwise, I would think it would be much like making a personal call, which some employers allow within reason, and I think most allow while on breaks.

Of course, to make such an allegation without further inquiry would be extremely rash, since the purported "thief" could be self employed, or employed in some capacity where browsing the net might be allowed -- such as a gate guard on the late shift, or some such thing.

In any event, I remain hamstrung by cognitive dissonance - that response seems remarkably hipocrytical on this forum.

BTW, my new MBW White Sub is fabulous!

Bill

[jonthebhoy]

In any event, I remain hamstrung by cognitive dissonance

Bill

Bill - Get to your doctor............IMMEDIATELY!

JTB

[KB]

Ok so where do I stand on this, well to understand my viewpoint you first need to understand how I view this board, simply to me it's one big family.

You have your senior, your kids, your bright stars and your black sheep but the whole lot of them bundled together is what makes this an interesting place and by and large it's self policed.

Yes that wasn't a typo, it's threads such as this one that sets the expected standard not our rules, they are only in place to uphold those standards.

So if as I said we are self policing and it is not in brutal moderation that keeps us on the level, what is it?

Respect.............I know some are having trouble with that word so here it is again...........RESPECT

This and every good forum must work as a family to keep it running smooth, even now as a mod if a senior member suggest I shouldn't do this or say that I am going to give it a lot of thought because he is a senior member and it is as much his forum as it is mine and yes I damn well respect what he has to say!

I ask you when you were young and your Father or Mother caught you reading Playboy would you have been given as much leeway to express your belief that "hey Dad it's not porn", or if your boss walked in and caught you reading the same Playboy.....you going to argue with him?...C'mon how many of us are even allowed to put up girly calendars at work anymore?

So finally remember this, well are all guest in Thomas's house here and I know first hand that he doesn't like these avatars and sig's either and I'll tell you one last thing.........we do have a rule in place that addresses these avatars and sig's.........and it can be enforced.......or someone could say this is upsetting to many fine people out of respect I will remove them.................think about it.

Ken

[Pugwash]

Now, even assuming (not that I would) that surfing the net while at work were to be a "breach of contract," could someone point me to the appropriate state or federal criminal code section that covers "breach of contract?"

Sorry, Bill. I beat you to that one.

[Pugwash]

So finally remember this, well are all guest in Admin's house here and I know first hand that he doesn't like these avatars and sig's either and I'll tell you one last thing.........we do have a rule in place that addresses these avatars and sig's.........and it can be enforced.......or someone could say this is upsetting to many fine people out of respect I will remove them.................think about it.

[gran]

I think avatars etc with erotic content is herer to stay but there is a limit..teher should be no pubic nudity any organs in motion on avatar or the signature

BTW this guy just scored a goal against Birmingham

[TJGladeRaider]

Sorry, Bill. I beat you to that one.

Yep, you surely did.

I have been tied up for the last couple of weeks making it hard for me to do anything more than glance at a few posts now and then, so i am only just now catching up. I did see that post by that ubiquitous low-life Randy teasing us with his spare parts . . . and these people think some of the avatars are a turn on!

I am slowly building my collection of MBWs - I have a box of them and I need to get a few of my favorites out to be relumed with SL. Some of the reviews that have been posted reveal that we have some real artists in our midsts and as much as I love the MBWs, I need a watch that I can read at night.

Bill

[Highflyingclive]

Any siggy that refers to tobacco products should be deleted, immediately!

[eddhead]

Just because someone likes porn and womens ass, doesnt mean he has very little repect for women in general, please keep this in mind! I love girls ass, but the repect I have for a person depends on his character and how he behaves when interacting with me, and not his gender!

But that is not the point. The display of pornographic images is offensive to our female members and as such is disrespectful to them. I realize that this is an unintended consequence, and that no one really wants to be disrespectful, but that is the effect. This is not a boys club. I am sure it is difficult enough for women to participate here, given the sheer number of men on the site, and the frequent displays of excess testosterone, why make it tougher for them?

[jonthebhoy]

Any siggy that refers to tobacco products should be deleted, immediately!

I agree Clive - there can be no references to [censored] on this forum!

JTB

[fotoman]

Sorry, Bill. I beat you to that one.

Yes, but i beat you to it