Some truths about the politcal left from a gay Brit

[freddy333]

Go to 12.30" and watch:

 

[sgtguk]

wow 

[freddy333]

My thoughts, too. Wow.

Probably good to forward to friends & family. Knowledge is power.

Stay safe my friends.

[Mike on a bike]

A few thoughts.

You know the Christian right does not believe in being gay but they don't go around killing people.................................(I could care less you do what you want in bed )

This would not happen in Texas they would have whacked him before he got a full clip off, so much for disarming the populace they all carry  (no guns for French citizens how did that work out , yes tougher gun laws is what we need in the USA)

To my EU friends, your countries are almost lost wake the f**k up!

[freddy333]

Mike, there are no 'clips' in the guns used in Orlando (or San Bernadino, or Belgium or Paris). They are called magazines & Adolph Hitler coined the term 'assault rifle', which refers to a mid-sized fully-automatic (ie 'machine gun') that fires a cartridge between a pistol & rifle round in power/size. The gun used in Orlando, a Sig Sauer MCX, is a semi-automatic or, for a more accurate description, is an automatic-loading gun. That is, a semi-auto gun automates ONLY the process of ejecting the empty cartridge & loading a new cartridge, but still fires only 1 bullet every time you pull the trigger. Politicians & the media, as Milo suggests, who know all of this, have been lying to you/us.

[mymanmatt]

Name one reason any american citizen needs an automatic rifle or machine gun. There is no need for that kind of firepower even for the police. I'm all for guns, just remove the ones that can fire 100 rounds a minute. If no one gets them, neither do the bad guys. Of course there's the black market.

[freddy333]

Why do Americans need cars that can go faster than 65 or planes that fly at dangerous levels? Answer - because they want them. And in the case of guns, Americans have a constitutionally-guaranteed - not granted - but guaranteed civil right to keep & bear arms & that civil right shall not be infringed by the government. If you do not like the principals by which Americans have agreed to live, simply amend the Constitution to make it more to your liking.

[Mike on a bike]

Clip magazines whatever the inference is clear they are interchangeable terms and I aware of that assault rifle,  Sturmgewehr  (storm rifle in English) first put out by the Reich in 1944 first one of it's kind.

(The detachable magazine is often referred to as a clip, although this is technically inaccurate)

   I could just see my dead Uncles running around in WWII saying magazine as they fought with Patton across Europe and Guadalcanal............ now on Garand it was a clip loading magazine hence a "clip" but with the Thompson I guess magazine would be more appropriate, the BAR  I wonder................ Can not remember my father's term (Korean war Marine) but being a Marine most likely used the technically right term.

Now that that is out of the way, Matt as freddy said not auto but with a large enough magazine against UNARMED civilians it is hard to rush you so it's a turkey shoot.

 

 

[mymanmatt]

Americans need weapons, I agree 100%.  We should be armed!  I'm armed!  I'm not talking about war, or 70 years ago. Today, in America, does anyone really need an automatic weapon? I'm not talking automatic hand guns, You know what i mean.

[swdivad]

I'm not gay, or right wing at all... been left all my life. 

I'm American, born and grew up around Boston but left the States after a personal tragedy back in '94... I've been back to visit several times, but won't go back to live... I miss owning a gun living here in Australia, probably about the same as I'd miss watches if they were somehow outlawed

I've been trying and trying to stay neutral on the islam/Muslim issues and giving Islam the benefit of the doubt in my heart, but I'm starting to fall off the fence...

Germany has segregated swimming pool swimming time now because they fear the rapes happening now... because of the Muslims???

I do see the women being oppressed, the strict laws, the even stricter punishments, and the segregated nature of the religion for the most part, but they are people too and I try to live and let live... 

I hear the Europeans stinging from the last round of migrants... but with the super biased media and propaganda, lies and [censored] fed to us by our governments et al... I'm not jumping to conclusions quite yet, but I am starting to waiver; I'm just not convinced yet, but I feel the forces pulling me off the fence. Is this all by design?

BTW, I would never, ever vote for Trump... he's just a total douche fvckwit

[Dlf]

What a load.

[Mike on a bike]

dif, "what a load" ? Who what position.

[freddy333]

4 hours ago, mymanmatt said:

Americans need weapons, I agree 100%.  We should be armed!  I'm armed!  I'm not talking about war, or 70 years ago. Today, in America, does anyone really need an automatic weapon? I'm not talking automatic hand guns, You know what i mean.

Again, the Sig MCX is NOT an automatic weapon. The only "automatic" function is its loading cycle. Regardless of the media hype or politicians' focus-group-tested statements to the contrary, these guns fire 1 bullet when you pull the trigger. They are not 'machine guns' &, so, are no more 'assault weapons' than is a Boeing passenger plane used by a terrorist to kill masses of people an 'assault weapon'. The MCX, like the AR-15 or AK47, is just a tool. In the hands of a law-abiding citizen it is used for good, lawful purposes; in the hands of a bad person, it is used as a weapon.

[ldegeneve]

Sigh. So here's how the rest of this thread is going to go:

1. Someone takes the bait and responds with the opposing view.

2. OP and others double down on their stance.

3. Back and forth gets harsher (to put it mildly)

4. Someone says "Hey, let's talk about watches guys hahaha."

5. MOAB locks thread.

Can we just skip to the end, please?

[freddy333]

The End. Better?

[swdivad]

4 hours ago, ldegeneve said:

Sigh. So here's how the rest of this thread is going to go:

1. Someone takes the bait and responds with the opposing view.

2. OP and others double down on their stance.

3. Back and forth gets harsher (to put it mildly)

4. Someone says "Hey, let's talk about watches guys hahaha."

5. MOAB locks thread.

Can we just skip to the end, please?

yeah, that scenario sounds like another rep watch forum, on EVERY controversial topic

[Sogeha]

Just some random thoughts in no particular order.

I have a lot of respect for the OP and his knowledge of fine watches. I also don't greatly disagree with any of the statements he has made in this thread.

A very similar topic on a similar forum became an American verses European slagging match, which in the end achieves very little other than causing division in the forum membership.

We are all here because of our love of watches and interest in replica watches.

There are forums for all political views and both pro and anti gun forums.

You can worship Mickey Mouse and have sex with a (consenting) donkey for all I care as long as you allow other people to have different beliefs.

I have grown very fond of this forum and it's members during my time here. I don't think locking threads or banning subjects is in the spirit of this forum. I think we are quite proud of not flaming each other or having long threads of bitter and personal arguments. I would hate to see that happening, especially if it was over,something other than watches.

[freddy333]

Likewise, I do not disagree with anything Sogeha said. I will add that the beauty of living in free societies is the ability of people to respectfully voice their opinions & other people to equally respectfully challenge those opinions if they happen to disagree with them. Silencing those you disagree with inhibits your ability to teach & others' ability to learn. There are many who feel it is wrong to talk about rep watches. If they had their way, this forum would not exist. I hope that all will consider this before demanding locks or free-speech prohibitions.

Guns, like watches or airplanes or electrical appliances, are tools. In the hand of a good person, they are used to do good. But in the hand of a bad person, they can be used to do bad things. Guns cannot load, charge, aim & fire themselves. They are inanimate objects, completely devoid of will or emotion. As a very wise wag once said - The gun is a tool, your finger is the weapon.

Stepping down from soapbox.

[droptopman]

Agree with much of what has been said.

In my time here, this forum has always been a safe place to discuss just about any topic. Very anti drama here and I like that.

For the most part I am a constitutionalist and things that move us (Americans) away from the constitution I generally oppose.

I found the video interesting in his views of the "socialist left" are similar to mine. I won't go into too many details as I tend to get into conspiracy theories....I am not a fan of big government or big media.

I 100% agree in our constitutional right to bear arms.

[Champagnesky]

I will just leave this here

[ldegeneve]

5 hours ago, freddy333 said:

The End. Better?

Lol. And 3...2...1...

 

47 minutes ago, freddy333 said:

I will add that the beauty of living in free societies is the ability of people to respectfully voice their opinions & other people to equally respectfully challenge those opinions if they happen to disagree with them. Silencing those you disagree with inhibits your ability to teach & others' ability to learn. There are many who feel it is wrong to talk about rep watches. If they had their way, this forum would not exist. I hope that all will consider this before demanding locks or free-speech prohibitions.

Guns, like watches or airplanes or electrical appliances, are tools. In the hand of a good person, they are used to do good. But in the hand of a bad person, they can be used to do bad things. Guns cannot load, charge, aim & fire themselves. They are inanimate objects, completely devoid of will or emotion. As a very wise wag once said - The gun is a tool, your finger is the weapon.

Stepping down from soapbox.

 

 

Kidding aside, I was wondering when you'd come out with the free speech angle. The point is not that you should stop talking about it. The point is that this whole exercise is tiresome. We've all already heard what you've said, we already know what you're going to say, and you already know what you will be arguing against.

It's been done before. In fact, how about I give you that link:

http://rwg.cc/topic/154710-australians-have-a-warning-for-americans?page=24

People will be going back and forth, no one will be changing their minds. On and off soapboxes. It's kabuki. You know that. We all know that. So let me make my point really clear: Been there, done that. Come up with something more interesting to say.

 

 

Edited June 18, 2016 by ldegeneve

[freddy333]

ldegeneve  - I apologize for any discomfort or inconvenience my views may have caused you & now, since you know everything I am going to say in advance, you may safely exit this thread & I wish you good health. Deal?

[tyrantblade]

Just because the no gun model works in Australia doesn't mean it would work in the US, and its anti-constitutional

I believe automatic weapons should not be owned by civilians, once you go down to semi-automatics i believe they should not be restricted; even large size clips or magazines have lawful uses (like how the AR-15 is popular with shooting sports).

I believe this a perfectly reasonable middle ground between both extremes and wouldn't infringe on constitutional rights.

I also found the attempt the government made to ban green tip 223 ammo is ridiculous and should be considered anti-constitutional as its a very common caliber for many rifles (and that variant is common and cheap), its far from an "assault rifle round".

Edited June 18, 2016 by tyrantblade

[ldegeneve]

1 minute ago, freddy333 said:

  - I apologize for any discomfort or inconvenience my views may have caused you & now, since you know everything I am going to say in advance, you may safely exit this thread & I wish you good health. Deal?

Well, you see, the beauty of being in a free society is that we can discuss things. I think asking me to leave is a bit counter to that.

Like I said, I'll stick around and see if you (or for that matter, anyone else) serves up something better than reheated leftovers.

 

[freddy333]

48 minutes ago, champagne-communist said:

I will just leave this here

'New Zealand provides a useful comparison to Australia. Both are isolated island nations, and they are socioeconomically and demographically similar. Their mass murder rate before Australia's gun buyback was nearly identical: From 1980 to 1996, Australia's mass murder rate was 0.0042 incidents per 100,000 people and New Zealand's was 0.0050 incidents per 100,000 people. The principal difference is that, post - 1997, New Zealand experienced the drop over the same period of time without altering its gun control laws.'
For full details, see Report to the Parliament of Australia on “The ability of Australian law enforcement authorities to eliminate gun - related violence in the community”

19 minutes ago, tyrantblade said:

I believe automatic weapons should not be owned by civilians, once you go down to semi-automatics i believe they should not be restricted; even large size clips or magazines have lawful uses (like how the AR-15 is popular with shooting sports).

I believe this a perfectly reasonable middle ground between both extremes and wouldn't infringe on constitutional rights.

Let me pose 2 simple questions -
1. In the hands of a law-abiding American, how is a belt-fed .308 caliber light machine gun any more dangerous than a small, .25 caliber single-shot derringer?
2. In the hands of a violent criminal, how dangerous is a pressure-cooker?

Actually, let me add a 3rd & simpler question -

Which is more dangerous - that .308 caliber light machine gun in the hands of a law-abiding American or that pressure-cooker in the hands of a violent criminal or terrorist?