valerian Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 As Baselworld is about to open top brands obviously start a media campagn against watch counterfeiting. Hublot states it will protect its nwe models with a smart card! See here: Hublot press release "By leveraging this technology, online shopping and auction Websites have the ability to provide its users a safe, secure transaction, by controlling counterfeited goods in its product range." Hmmm. Interesting. Thank god I don't like hublot watches! How long will it take our Chinese cracks to replicate those smart cards? Yours kindly Valerian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Actually as I see it this will only prevent reps being sold as gen's. How many gen owners are going to walk around carrying their smart cards? More importantly how many rep owners are going to let anyone scan their watch to see if it's gen? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Resistance is futile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerian Posted March 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 More importantly how many rep owners are going to let anyone scan their watch to see if it's gen? You're right of course. Actually I start to wonder if this isn't foremost a marketing gag... Yours kindly Valerian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Hublot really knows how to hold a grudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkdk Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 I actually think this is pretty cool. At least no one is going to be ripped of on the second hand market anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KB Posted March 25, 2009 Report Share Posted March 25, 2009 Very interesting figures really, they say these 40mil of rep watches cost the industry between 7 to 800mil Ok so obviously the 20 bucks a watch that this works out to is flawed as they accept that there would not be 40mil buyers of gens if there was no reps. So how many of those 40mil rep buyers do they expect to buy gens if they can clean up the trade? Well based on their figures (and allowing an average of 10k a watch) less than 80 thousand actually. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerian Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Ok so obviously the 20 bucks a watch that this works out to is flawed as they accept that there would not be 40mil buyers of gens if there was no reps. That's a real Baselworld premiere if I'm informed correctly: Usually our top brands will pretend that the number of replica watches sold worldwide corresponds to the number not sold by the Gen industry. Which is obviously utter BS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidestro Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I used to think the Hublot counterfeit countermeasure was that they were ugly. I guess that one did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
valerian Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I used to think the Hublot counterfeit countermeasure was that they were ugly. I guess that one did not work. Have a look at the Baselworld Rolex models! One would have to pay me to wear one let alone buy a rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I used to think the Hublot counterfeit countermeasure was that they were ugly. I guess that one did not work. Hey I resemble that remark. I have a Hublot on the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidestro Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hey I resemble that remark. I have a Hublot on the way I give RWG members a pass, taste and what is expensive are relative. I can tolerate ugly at 500 bucks a hell of a lot easier than I can at 20k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hiker01 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 @kenberg "Ok so obviously the 20 bucks a watch that this works out to is flawed as they accept that there would not be 40mil buyers of gens if there was no reps." Hey! Where can I find these $20 watches, darn I could make a killing reselling them! I could put the Cartel and the rest of the Gang out of businees! I used to think the Hublot counterfeit countermeasure was that they were ugly. I guess that one did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billywhiz Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Hike you never know - those $20 watched are indeed what some of us get sometimes..... open the pack to find screws missing, popped crystals, wonky faces. etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 exactly as kenberg said this prevents reps being sold as gen's only. I hope gen makers don't think watch rep'ping is at the same level as money counterfeiting. Smart card is more a marketing gimmick than anti-counterfeiting measure. You don't need a smart card to identify a fake. Come on. Let's hope they don't overdo these measures to make their watches ugly. Rolex's rehaut engraving is cutting it too close already. I still don't think the rep-buying community is gen's customers. Some of us graduate to gens or buy both gens and reps. Gens don't lost revenue to reps. Give me a break. -bk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 I give RWG members a pass, taste and what is expensive are relative. I can tolerate ugly at 500 bucks a hell of a lot easier than I can at 20k Amen to that. It's funny actualy. I thought these Hublots were quite fugly on first inspection. Then I saw one in my Mens Health Mag several months ago. I dont know but I for some reason found them?? well lets just say Interesting for the lack of a better word. I like the ones with the ceramic bezil and carbon fiber dial. Sorry about the rambling Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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valerian Posted March 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Let's hope they don't overdo these measures to make their watches ugly. Rolex's rehaut engraving is cutting it too close already. BK, I totally agree in general. But in this special case I think it's different: If Hublot attached one of those smart cards to their bezel or dial design it would actually be a visual improvement. Sorry maxman, I know it's a matter of taste. Yours kindly Valerian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Why would this make a real difference? I hope - and really think - that most rep buyers have no intentions of ever passing on their watches as gen for financial gain. But to prevent anyone trying this technology may be of some use. For the rest of us I doubt that it will make any difference for the forseeable future. So good luck Hublot et all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdkno Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 The funny part about it all is that the rep business probably cost brands like Seiko, Citizen, Invicta, ect...ect... more than the acctual brands being repped. That is kind of like saying that Factory5 kit cars are taking money away from the original 60's AC Cobras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 BK, I totally agree in general. But in this special case I think it's different: If Hublot attached one of those smart cards to their bezel or dial design it would actually be a visual improvement. Sorry maxman, I know it's a matter of taste. Yours kindly Valerian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velasco Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 The funny part about it all is that the rep business probably cost brands like Seiko, Citizen, Invicta, ect...ect... more than the acctual brands being repped. That is kind of like saying that Factory5 kit cars are taking money away from the original 60's AC Cobras. Totally agree... I would say the rep business: - is against the low-price watch business - gives (sort of) free publicity to the high-end brands, so in the end may be even positive for them And I think the same applies to all the rep market (bags, clothes,...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nasosn Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Guys in my opinion Hublot didin't exactly have in mind the $250+ watch range we own...Let me give an example of what i mean: 3 weeks ago i've been in a large excebition about home constructions (nothing relevant till now ) and inside the main area there were 2 kiosks of rep watches of all brands estimated each at 20euros ($28 if i'm not mistaken) They were so cheaply made, that they would give you the impression that they were made of recycled tins Lots of people stopped to take a peek and some of them would buy not only one but more than two or three of them! Although i own a rep BCE i felt embarrased watching such poorly made counterfeits and i left right away. So this is what Hublot is afraid of and takes into consideration... And now something funny, imagine what would happen if Hublot or anyone else calculated the loss in their profits taking into account the rep watches that are sold and belong to our price range...They would simply blow up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberfox67 Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Hublot really knows how to hold a grudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidestro Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Sure thing !!!!!! All those that bought a rep @ ~ 200 USD if there were no reps would buy gens for min 20 times the price !!! This is just as ridicolous as the music industry screaming abt the music and movies downloaded on P2P networks No, it is not the same. There is a big difference between a 15 dollar album and a 20k watch. An album or movie ticket is pretty much affordable by all and there are not a whole lot of substitute goods for them. That industry has been hurt by piracy. A replica watch (or other luxury good) is not in the same ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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