Leaderboard

I have spent thousands of bucks to develop that website for my returning customers. Insulting me being a clown and a joke without any reason it is not nice buddy.

If I may...

5513 today

From Alex of "UK Watch Services" trusted repair RWGbz and RWI: Just posted this over at my original home of RWI but thought Id share it here too, you guys have been just as good to me, I have a spare hour or two tonight so I thought id post some of my opinions on the most popular reps that I see across my bench. Ive spent two years now servicing reps from RWI and RWG and would like to think I have built up a fairly reasonable knowledge of them. Some are general views on movements and movements in certain reps. Im not intending this as any sort of guide but more a rough idea of whats going on in some of the reps. Im not taking into account accuracy/ closest to gen etc, its literally just a view of the watch itself. First up the Rolex reps such as Sub, DSSD with standard Asian 2824/36. Generally I find these amongst the easiest of the reps to work on. The Asian clone is pretty decent once serviced and the only real issue (if you can even call it that) to contend with is the fact there is a date overlay on the stock date wheel. This isn't really an issue at all unless the date overlay has an issue and needs to be re fitted or a new one is needed. I used to offer date wheel overlay changes but its such a pain and so time consuming I will only do it vary rarely now should a situation arise where it needs to be done. Other than the overlays they are a good solid rep for the most part. They mostly waterproof too and need little doing to them in this regard. Next the Omega Planet ocean reps - non chrono. I would say these are amongst the worst of the reps and for a 2824/36 they can be a real pain. If they have been bought with a gen ETA in they are even worse. The Asian clones aren't too bad, as before in the rolex's the movement is pretty decent once serviced. The problem with the ten ETA ones is the condition of them, especially under the dial. Most of these I've seen have display backs so the makers do a half decent job of making them look decent from the back. I say half decent because if you look at them with an eye glass you can still see dirt etc and incorrect or lack of oiling. Under the dial on the gen ETA on these reps is often pretty bad. Usually they have many rusty parts and I'm almost certain some are made up from ETA and rep parts. A Liquid metal planet ocean is one of the only reps I couldn't fix - I needed to change parts but this caused more issues with them working together properly and in the end I gave up as I just couldn't work out what was going on with it. Whilst the gen ETA is particularly bad, I dont overly like the Asian clone version either but if I was going to buy one, it would definitely be Asian. The same issues both share is lack of clearance for the hands from the dial - often requiring the hands to be bent upwards much more than would be ideal, and the fact the dials generally dont attach to the movement in the usual way but attach to the movement ring. Not a biggie but its just not as good as securing to the movement itself. I also often see more of these with stripped crown/tube than any other rep. panerais with 6497/8 Not much to say about these really, bullet proof! They do have the occasional problem but they are a simple, well made decent movement. Even the Asian ones are good and in my opinion its decent enough and I wouldn't bother swapping it for ETA if you were thinking of doing it. Panerais with 7750 non chrono These are also half decent. The issues ones are the ones with the faux bridge put over the 7750 movement. The normal issue is with the rotor. Due to this bridge the rotor no longer screws to the movement and I've had a couple of issues with the rotor working loose. The movement itself is fine once serviced and I would like to think would go for a good few years before requiring any further intervention. 7750's with chrono function, seconds @ 9. I get quite a few questions about these and heres my view on them. They are a decent movement, even more so for the money they cost. The issue with them is they are also the dirtiest and incorrectly oiled of all the reps I see. I dont really know why this is but they are never done well. Sometimes I am amazed they have even run at all before they arrive on my bench. My honest opinion is if you are buying one of these you really should factor into the price the cost of having it serviced or buy it with a view that it might only last a few months and you will need to buy a new one or have it serviced then. I know theres exceptions to the rule and some people have bough asian 7750's that have run out of the box for years, but then someone has to win the lottery! In honesty there probably is a fair few that last quite a while but its all down to luck I can assure you. The movement as is from the factory is poor at best. One other issue to mention is hands, on quite a regular basis I have to do something with these. In an ideal world I would just fit new ones but unfortunately I dont have a supply of rep hands on tap so have to make do with what I have. Very occasionally the hands cant be sourced and the only option is a new one although this is rare. The main issue being the center seconds. The hammer slams down onto then heart pretty hard when you reset these and if the hand isn't fitted tight to the pinion the possibility of it slipping is high. This is often what has happens if your hand isn't resetting to zero anymore. Even once serviced I recommend using the chrono sparingly if at all, used as a watch to tell the time alone it should be a fairly good time keeper. Watches with DG 2813's or variants - often referred to as 21j. These are what they are, there often cheap and you get what you pay for. The watch may look decent but I really dont like this movement. Its not particularly nice to work on and if you buy one of these and it breaks, I see your only real option is to buy a new watch. I have done movement exchanges on these but heres the problem - the movements I get in from the supplier are often no better than used in the reps to start with and the cost makes it barely worth doing. Also because the movement I would get from the supplier is likely to need servicing I cant offer any guarantee on it. Ideally I would service the movement I get from the supplier before fitting it but then the cost would be even more ridiculous. I could just do the movement exchange as I get it from the supplier but I dont like not being able to offer a guarantee, if i work on a watch I want to know its leaving me the best it can be. I think That will do for now. In summary with 2824/36 asian or gen ETA Id go for Asian. Its pot luck what you get if you buy gen ETA from a rep dealer. If you really want ETA you would be much better off sourcing an ETA separately and buy the Asian ETA. 7750's, decent once serviced. If you buy it and wear it as is you are asking for problems. If you get a year or 2 then thats very good. Its down to the individual then what you do, buy a new one or sort your broken one. My opinion is to have it serviced early doors but I'm a watchmaker and I dont like dirty movements that are either dry of oil or if they are oiled its in all the wrong places. Dg 2813, buy it, wear it, if it breaks buy a new one. Cheers and thanks for reading, hope this may be useful for someone Alex

Taken from the other fora (RWI). Old but still gold I think this sums up the worst customer's habits all togheter

Heres a shot of the back, and a close up, it doesn't look like a craftsman has put this together, look at the screw heads......they look a bit chewed.....

thanks Mike for consolidating the threads into one "rant: thread. I don't think that this should have ever gotten to the point that it did. I understand that the OP wants his money back, everyone does, but what EVERYONE has to remember we aren't buying replica watches from Amazon !! We are dealing with people in other countries, some of which have banking systems that are multi tiered, as dbane883 described above. Lots of steps, and with each one the possibility of delays or errors. Another thing that the OP needs to keep in mind, unlike Amazon and LL Bean, dealers don't generally take watches back just because you "changed your mind". For the most part these are final sales, sorry Charlie, can't help it if the color of the dial doesn't match your eyes, your purse or your new blue suede shoes!! Usually returns are only accepted because the watch arrived DOA or dies soon after. So to the OP, be happy that Toro even agreed to a refund, because it's certainly not the norm. And like legend stated, quit whining over a damn cheap quartz watch that costs less than most straps. Next time, if there is a next time, make sure before you hit the "buy" button, and if by some chance the watch doesn't suit you, do what all the rest of us here on this and every watch forum, rep or genuine do, take some photos and post it on the sales forum. Can you spell "Catch and release" because that's precisely what everyone else does. If it doesn't work sell it on.

OK closed other two threads everyone can still read and form their own opinions. I am neither pro nor con just to many threads discussing same issue this leads to misinformed decisions. For my part I will say this, whether purchase large or small member new or old I do endeavor to help out. In regard to this happening money was refunded by Toro and mostly likely by an over-site not by design was refunded after it was supposed to be. All else is melodrama these things are bound to bring about, the fact that it has not gotten to Kargo is unfortunate but not Toro's fault he doesn't have it.

I would like to support this forum as well with my participation and I hope all my posts won´t be about defending myself on a deal which went wrong. It´s true that if I am here every day we wouldn´t go so far on this issue.

Here are a set of reference photos for a 1665 Sea dweller from different angles. Hope they're useful? http://www.nanuq-alaska.net/images/watches/1665/ref/1665.htm

Many of you are probably not familiar with me - I am an older member who used to visit here daily up until about 5 or so years ago. Much less so recently, in fact my visits over the past week or so have probably been my first in a number of years. When I first stumbled upon the old site, 12 or so years ago,I thought I hit nirvana. While I am hardly an expert in fine watches, I have always had an intense interest in them so this place was like gold to me. It offered great fellowship, access to real experts and an opportunity to learn a lot about a luxury commodity that has always interested me. Also access to great dealers who offered high quality products at very reasonable prices. I have to say, I am heartened to note that that fellowship and expertise still characterizes this site today. Not so much the great products and reasonable prices thing. My first rep (one I am wearing now in fact) was purchased about 11 or so years ago. It is an Eddie Lee PAM 029 GMT with a ETA 2892 movement. I think the price was in the neighborhood of $600 or so. It remains my best and favorite rep, and in fact one of my favorite watches period (I have since acquired some nice gens as well). In addition to being a beautiful watch, this thing is bullet proof. It keeps great time, and is virtually indestructible. In the years that followed I picked up many similar great pieces. Among my favorites are a 4th gen UPO, a 42 MM Bond UPO, a 2 tone Eddie Lee Sub,a Seadweller, and a BK modded noob LV sub. These pieces all run as well today as they did when I purchased them, and remain in my rotation. The common denominators? Bullet proof ETA movements the at were reasonably priced. Back than you could pick up a quality sub with a 2836 movement for $200-$250, a bit more for the modded pieces. It all went downhill for me when ETA movements became difficult to source. Some of the newer reps really look great but the asian movements are just not cutting it for me- in fact none of my more recently acquired asian clones work today. For instance, my last purchase maybe 5 or so years ago, was a gorgeous v2 Avenger which died maybe 3 months after purchase. I just find that prices are higher and the movements are [censored]. I came to conclude that unless you are a trained watch smith, and have access to quality ETA movements, it just isn't worth it anymore, and the golden age of reps is over. I will say that I am heartened to see that the fine fellowship, expertise, and sharing that always characterized this forum continues to exist today. This always was the best run and friendliest rep watch forum on the net, and my bet is is still is today. Cheers.

Looks like some nice builds on the horizon!! I too prefer the champagne dial with stick markers. To the poster asking about mymanmatt, he is a member here, and you can PM him. He is the master of Datejust and Day Date builds. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

6265

Pre game workout in my 1016. Go Hawks[emoji458][emoji458][emoji458] Sent from my droptop using telepathy.

Quite a while back a member here was nice enough to provide a copy of this book to those of us who requested it. It was sent via email and arrived as an Adobe Acrobat PDF file. It is in both Italian and English, and all illustrations and photos are included. It cannot be searched but one can scroll through page by page. I'm not very good with computers and I have tried to send this as an attachment to an email, but it is too large. I believe I can figure out how to send it using Microsoft One Drive. At least I can try. I may be able to send it direct from Acrobat also. If interested please send me a PM with an email address and I will attempt to send it on.

Try rolexaddict in France. I have tried to reach out to him with no success. I hope You 'll manage to.

This is a really helpful list. Used it to narrow down choices to Cartier Santos, B&R BR02, and AP ROO. List is relevant even in late 2014. Thanks for the list.

Just a quick report of a positive experience with Andrew and a return for repair. When I received my Pepsi GMT Master II back in August, I had issues within minutes. The hands were loose and interlocking with each other and the stem pulled right out of the watch in me. I knew the risks involved in sending it back to China for repair, but decided to give it a go anyway. I filled out the form received from Andrew and sent the watch by international priority mail to the address he gave me. Tracking went well and within 10 days, Andrews watch smith confirmed receipt. I was told it would be about 6 weeks for repair and sure enough, I received notice of shipment out of Hong Kong with a tracking number. I received the watch today and all appears to be functioning perfectly now. I'm not sure I'd risk sending it back every time, but I probably saved a chunk of change as opposed to handing it to a watch smith to handle locally. I'm still gun-shy about tackling something like this myself! Anyway, thanks to Andrew and his team for a very positive experience! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Great pics, wow. As for the size; the 15400 is the right size for my liking, it wears much bigger than the meassured size of 41mm would suggest it to be. Have a try and put it on your wrist, it has a huge presence! Dr. Theo