Dont agree on this, i would leave seiko out of the equeasion (spelling) but the INGY, SOSF, UPO ect are in the main very good watches and easily as good as any invicta, citizen auto and as good if you get a good one as a tissot ect! but there are some very cheep gens out there that are absolutly superb if you get away from the main names, look some of the timefactors uk watches like the speedbird! taht can be had for a little over the price of a rep and with a garentee. The smaller manufactures is where it is at, quality at a good price.