Their 3135 case has holes. We need to change the name to ST in the title. Something tells me they are spydering their way through looking for US. Alli, you have to get your water time man. The 16610 I built is awesome. Only thing missing now is a nice gen 3135 date disc. Took it diving and didn't even rinse it just to see. No rust or spots. I would love to get my hands on a euro mariner case though. I have always wanted to see one and build a decent watch with.