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The diver reps, both stainless steel and forged carbon, and even the ceramic, have been touted as the best out of the box AP reps in the hobby. And yes, that is true if you look at the number of flaws in the ROO chronograph series. But yet, closely replicated as they are, flaws still exist in the diver reps. For the sake of brevity, let us run through the list of flaws Movement: The previous generation of reps uses the A2824 movement, which beats at 28800bph, but is better and more reliable than the current generation of miyota powered replicas. Miyotas can be noisy when the watch is shaken, and cheap looking/sounding. However they are fairly reliable too, and easily replaced. The gen uses a low beat 21600bph caliber 3120 AP movement. The beat difference is hardly noticeable on the wrist between 28800bph and 21600bph unless you have them side and side, and scrutinize closely. The beat of the rep movement can be modded to 21600bph as well. Dial The gen diver dial is glossy and more intricate in details, and the rep is somewhat glossed over, but not to the same extent. The difference is hardly noticeable again, but the rep dial can be gloss-finished by hand to look like the gen. Of course, dial print is sharper on the genuine diver, but not by much compared with the V7 diver. Inner dive bezel For the stainless steel, the lume construction for the numbers are significantly different, and this is a noticeable difference once pointed out to someone. For the FC, the numbers on the inner bezel are closer to genuine. Hands There is a slight difference between the shine and finish of the genuine hands vs the replica ones. But not enough to warrant any modification. Datewheel The genuine watch (before the i series) uses a serif font which the Noob (first v4 batch and earlier) replicates well. The font is nonetheless slightly smaller than the gen one. This can be fixed by installing an aftermarket datewheel. Case construction No significant difference between gen and rep here for the recent models. Any perceivable difference would not be something you can spot on the wrist. The rep FC case can be polished and buffed a little to look better, but not necessarily closer to gen. The FC material is rather organic, and each case looks different from the rest. I have seen a variety of finishes for the genuine FC cases. The glossed up pictures on the internet makes us all paranoid at times, but if you have a chance to take a look at FC case finishing on the genuine, you will be surprised at how flat (little or no marbling) some will look. Bezel screws It is a myth that bezel screws on the genuine diver are always sunken and aligned. This is not true at all, I have seen genuine divers that look otherwise. The bezel screws on the replica can be carefully aligned, polished and sunken evenly for aesthetic purposes. Crystal Bear in mind, that the gen comes with a single AR crystal. Applying double AR on a replica does enhance the look of the dial, but does not make it more accurate looking. This is a personal choice for the owner, and nothing right or wrong about it. Straps The rep rubber straps are decent, but with the host of aftermarket straps available, many choices are available at the owner's disposal. So when one mentions "best diver that money can buy", it is subjective to each owner with regards to what "best" means. Here is a fully modded diver. I’ve converted it from a miyota movement to an ETA low beat one and retained the hands. Notice the dial finish, the case finish and the datewheel. I consider this a reasonable rendition of the stainless steel diver without going franken or gen. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yes like Sogeha mentioned it's a nice watch but the hands are too short and a tell. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

It can be modded to fit too but can I know what the issue is please, when you mentioned that it does not fit? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If you have a jf case bro, either the straps or case can be modded to make both fit. I've done so before. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Looking at the straps, they are as gen as could be.

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I do agree, that for AP, a large part of what we pay goes to the brand premium. The movement for the chronograph models do not compare to, for example, the Rolex Daytona 4130 cal.

Bob its good to see your tastes become more eclectic, from the high value genuine vintage Rolexes you pretend not to own, and those you run over with your jeep, to panerais, and now Omega. The stingray strap does look very good with the dial and watch head. The watch now looks a lot more casual and sporty, compared to how it does on a shark mesh. Congrats and wear her well. The Proplof is a super rep, and virtually indistinguishable from the gen on the wrist.

And I thought that with incessant mentions of Ken's left nut, and portraits of Stu, the family friendliness has long departed from our midst.

OK Bob, thats all good... but what about the ploprof?

I think many a topic had been created here only for each to degenerate into discussions or mentions of ken's left nut. I'm pretty certain that said nut has either shriveled or was eaten by a ravenous squirrel by now lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think you guys are referring to the Gio cases, produced by imaknockov..

stop

The story doesn't make sense at all lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk The story doesn't make sense at all lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well I having seen a navitimer which can breathe yet and if it does I surely will not want it on my wrist! [emoji1] But if you can settle for a brietling navitimer try any of the dealers here, like Intime www.intime01.co Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The main problem here as I see it, isn't about the crown or case or movement per se, but rather, the fact that the seller has gone silent. @mrtoulouse, do you care to chime in on the allegations? We will encourage you to contact the buyer and work the issues out instead of keeping silent.

Welcome back! The issue with the rep divers these days, is that they come with the "wake your neighbors and family up" noisy miyota movements, which I personally detest. I will recommend you buy a noob v4 from the member to member sales section, and that will be an excellent base watch to start modding it to a specifications very close to genuine. Alternatively, you can consider buying a fully modded one like what audemarspiguet said.. Try to avoid the new miyota versions, they rattle very annoyingly!

I agree with you on most counts @peterloveslubey, including the fact that a double AR would make a prettier looking watch. However, I am a gen AP owner, and will like to state my personal opinion that pretty as they look, a double AR coating actually makes the watch look inaccurate. All APs are singled AR coated on the inside surface as you likely know, and it is my personal preference for practical reasons as well, mainly to prevent scratches and blemishes on the AR coating on the crystal. I know I am deviating from the main topic and I do apologize. Your points are definitely valid, and I concur that the JF V2 15400 is the best rep version that money can buy currently. I will stay with the JF crystal personally.

and with that, I think you are good to go!

honored to be named the same as your dog, I suppose lol I am honestly not a Breitling guy, but I did some comparos with pics of the same watch online, and I would have to say that your watch looks too sharp to be rep. One thing though, is the inner bezel/tachy rotatable? I see that the numbers on the tachy are positioned differently from pics I have seen online.

wow that looks good! I would say gen, but what happened with the paper, box and stuff?

That's definitely some racist talk bro lol I can definitely drink milk. If you don't believe me ask my lactating neighbor [emoji23] I tread softly along the fine line separating raving insanity and lucid moments of ingenuity. The issue is I've no idea which is which mostly.

120kg for a 75kg body weight is very strong brother. How did you manage to achieve that? I am about the same weight at you, but cannot go beyond a 100kg bench press. Will it help if I remove the spiderman spandex costume I wear to the gym you think?

Congrats G and you've been a great asset, as well as a good moderator for the community. Do stick around and remember that in his forum, we all can be whatever age we wish. I tread softly along the fine line separating raving insanity and lucid moments of ingenuity. The issue is I've no idea which is which mostly.

I tread softly along the fine line separating raving insanity and lucid moments of ingenuity. The issue is I've no idea which is which mostly.