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A little late reading this gran but that is some watch. Neat mechanical that rotates hour hand once every 24 hours. Glycine has been making a 24 hour dial watch for some time but it is a 2 hand watch. Gerald Genta with his own new brand GeraldCharles last year started marketing their one-hand A-Evolution but basically it is the minute hand with a digit dial for the hours, not that unique except for the design look. I've been used to a one hand quartz watch for a couple of years as I own the Yes Zulu celestial timer and I usually turn off the lcd digits when wearing. The single hour hand makes one rotation per day. Can't tell the minutes but that's not the purpose of the watch, its so you know where in time you are in relation to the sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset, moonphase.

Wow! Unless you've got an extremely big wrist that pocketwatch with the wire lugs doesn't appear to be that big in diameter. Interesting idea on the wire lugs but a little tall in thickness for my tastes. Thanks for the post looksee. Okay EDIT: With a little more research I see that when wrist watches came into vogue these wire lug versions were done to pocket watches as well as smaller pendant type connectors for converting pocket watches into wrist watches after WW1, so its not a new idea. Oh well, learn something new everyday. I saw a couple of these old Elgin conversions on Ebay along with a couple of newer Breguet pocket watch conversions in gold. Regards

I've always said if you want a bigger watch why don't you just buy one of the millions of vintage old pocketwatches you can pickup dirt cheap, put a strap on it and you now have a big ass wrist watch. Well, needless to say, someone finally had that same idea. Here is one currently on the bay that they used a Breguet quarter repeater vintage pocketwatch placed into a new 52mm X 63mm stainless steel case with lugs. I'm not sure about classy looking, but a classic idea come to life!

Hey nice to hear from you Halley! Keep that nose to the book grindstone, we need more good lawyers here to keep us out of trouble with international copyright infringements.

Thanks for the great insight Robert, I'll look into business class Luftansa next time to EU. Have a good trip, did you bring your Viagra Blue IWC? I'm always flying at thousands of feet too when I log into the rep. forums, but its usually from the results of a bottle.

Great looking collection, congrats. But do my eyes deceive me or is it the angle of the shot, does that 196 not have a date wheel???

Here's a better pic off of the bay. This is currently listed here with a lot more pics: Gold Navitimer

I'm sure you are well aware of Breitling subdial configurations by your signature. All I meant was I would like to be proved wrong on the pre-2003 "6,9 & 12" sub layout navitimers in gold & silver two tone and black dial. I'm only talking about the standard V7750's and not the first rep. pictured. Find me a gen. pic and I'll take that back. I haven't found any gens with silver sub hands on the pre-2003 6,9 & 12s, also in this vintage, the dial of the two-tone should be a platinum silver white, not white. Obviously yes on the tricompax layout subs as you have shown for two-tone silver and gold.

I posted these in a thread on RWG1 almost exactly a year-to-date ago. Martin D-45 I purchased in 1970 and a circa 1922 National which I bought in 1971. The Martin was played on all gigs 5 to 6 nights a week for 25 years, its seasoned body now puts out as loud as concert jumbos but with a deeper pitch even after a refinish job. Nanug, love your Guilds, I've been through two, a F-512 Jumbo 12-string and a Mark V Classical.

Andreww, after 2003 Breitling modified the Valjoux 7750 movement in order to stick back to the "tricompax" layout for the subdials (at 3,6 and 9'). The prior older Generation XV, XVI and XVIII models based on standard Valjoux 7750 have the 6,9 and 12 subdial layout and black subdial hands. A good source of historical info is www.navitimer.net

Richard, I'm afraid that was a while back, 2004 that I got that from River and it was no ordinary one, it was a more expensive Taiwan's Best version, the numbers on the dial are spot on to the gen, swiss movement, plain back as original. Your best bet is to inquire of River.

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Every rep pictured above has the wrong color subdial hands. Still, beautiful.

ryyannon, I know we are about the same age, sounds like you've had a wonderful life and it ain't over. My turn: Mortuary / Cemetery handyman - 1st real job at 15 Main profession - Professional musician starting at 18 in 1965 (a great year) all the way through age 45, this ruined my college grades but still graduated, parents were disappointed I never used degree, until I started making more money than I ever could with that particular degree. Gigilo at 20 (only lasted 6 months but loved the attention and never got a woman to pay my way after that!) Air Force autopilot tech during Vietnam War (Reserves) Professional dancer / singer in Los Angeles in the mid-70's after 1st divorce Waiter Bartender Controller for small Silicon Valley OEM for Digital Computers before Apple Computers came on the scene Restauranteur - out of business after a year (There are much better ways to lose money) Commercial Real Estate Agent after 2nd divorce and 3rd marriage that stuck Limousine Company Manager IT Manager Commercial Property Manager Mortgage Brokerage Owner Real Estate Brokerage Owner Commercial Real Estate Developer Fulltime Husband, Dad and Grandpa About to semi-retire in a year (Would go nuts if I fully retired) Will stay put on my tropical isle And I agree with ryyanon, a lot more colorful [censored] as a hippie dippy musician better left unsaid......

There are always exceptions so I'll disagree with you.

I would consider fellfell an Italian "lost in translation" of Teevtee so give him a break if you can't understand. They both make the same point but TVT carries more weight and much more credentials from the long standing history of rep. collecting and participation in rep. forums, long before any of us, so he has a long tooth in dealing with the personal growth and truth of rep. collecting in his head that eventually all will have to deal with. TVT insists on calling them "fakes" much to the discomfort of those trying to find a sensible legitimacy for their addiction, thus the non-demeaning term "replica" which doesn't get used as much in handbags, pens, etc. copies. You have to stand back realistically and look at the BIG picture, not rep.expert.microscopically. "No forest for the trees, I just want to concentrate on the bark on this here particular copy of the tree." Reps. are reps. and appeal to innate reasons for each and every person; whether its wannabe status, ostentatiousness, envy, economy, thrift, sensibility, brand adoration, brand admiration, brand enthusiasm; I'm sure I've left out quite a few euphemisms other members could add. My previous thread post I optimistically stated I believe the rep. quality will sustain or get better. Free trade and better technology guarantees it. How many asian reps already are copied off of CAD scanning, it will increase. If you have to hang your hat on ETA movements as the be-all-to-end-all of reps then you are a purist rep. snob, and I find that an oxymoron. A rep. of a gen. will never compare to a gen. as its perfect copy, but geez, a rep. will never cost the same as a gen. Yeah that's right, why are you here, to get a rep. of a gen. or one of the quasi-side reason euphenisms stated above. But the difference is you can mod it to get it as close to perfection to please yourself, and maybe others. Its a hobby that is fun and enjoyable to many, and great satisfaction for those in the know, and absolutely idiotic to those people that don't know watches at all. In the past I've seen some of the best Ford Shelby wannabe body kits put on Mustangs, the owners are more knowlegeable and expert about the original car than the ones that can afford them as a status symbol. They have spent umpteen hours and money upgrading parts, engines, interiors to get to the closests facsimile to the genuine. You can never take that happiness away. If Ford stopped making engines for them they'd put a Chevy in them just so they'd go down the road and shine, and who knows, they might run better. I've seen a Chevy engine put into an old '64 RollsRoyce because the owner finally gave up on the expense of fixing and finding parts for the antique engine. Call that crazy but no one ever knew without lifting the hood/bonnet and it drove faster, smoother and better than the original. He couldn't sell it as an original but that wasn't the point, he had the satisfaction of driving down the road in his RR, albeit, he knew it was a rep. and it didn't bother him. Whatever floats your boat, its all good.

Admin, we know you have genuines and appreciate your insight and knowledge regarding them so members can do some comparisons and gain knowledge about a particular brand model. It would be a disservice to stop. But as a most famous "jetmid" thread went it was the presentation at the start on this thread that was only slightly flawed, no price should have been mentioned.

In the days of big sports watches appearing under suit cuffs, its nice to remember these classic dress watches have been, in the past, and are still today, a sign of elegant style for a man. Classic designs never go out of style. Great beauty Neil.

Happy B-Day Admin. Have a good one.

It would be far easier to just get a genuine pocket watch (vintage or new) off the bay, add some lugs and you're on your way.

Rob: Great observations. Quality swiss movement are on the wane due to scarcity, then the price for those will increase. The days of high quality reps will never end, a free market will always ferret them out, but due to the scarcity value, they will become priced at that point to where collectors will have to choose between a genuine and a rep. I believe the asians will make great strides to take up the slack with finer machined movements. They know a good market when they see one and will not let it disappear for lack of swiss movements. The asian movements will get better, take a look at the recent inexpensive tourbillons, I hear they are not far out from introducing a mass produced minute repeater. They will refine these movements to the quality that threatens the swiss exclusivity as time passes. There will be a down time when the swiss movements will still be the most desired in the reps. but that will pass. The future of reps will hold, same as all the other knockoff items that generate an economy for asia. The cases are getting better, the movements are following at a slower pace. Its not as disheartening as it sounds.

Its a fantastic movement and when they put it in a watch design that suits me I'll get one, I'm so enthusiastic about this movement. The moonphase is an outstanding design and it is 40 mm according to the Seiko website. This is one of the most advanced mechanical clock innovations to come along since the tourbillon IMHO. The sweep is really just a glide. Speaking of the SpringDrive, how about a brand new Seiko $129,000 Credor Sonnerie, a repeater that is settable! Only 5 made. http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/seiko/0602/sonneriepr.htm

I used to own one of these. Research it Ken, the lights represent binary code. Look it up. Only thing is when you drink it gets harder and harder to tell the time in a pub/bar.

Thanks for the heads up although here in Hawaii we don't use DST but must go change the subdials on the Airman 7.

Sorry phoband, I don't remember. I'll be back in May again but I think member hambone says he works in Ceasars. If you contact him he could probably go in and look for you. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showto...mp;#entry137253 I am like you, other than a yellow dial Seiko in highschool most of my watches I got after that were unique nerdy gadget watches. I've been through more electronic gadget watches than I care to think of. That's all changed pretty much now to mechanical as aging eyesight has taken the fun out of sliderule bezels, digitals, calculators, computer type watches, although I did recently buy a 1 gig flash memory analog watch with a USB connector in the band that my son promptly requisitioned. The Quinting is a pretty expensive novelty in my eyes. Isn't the motor movement quartz?