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Wow, I can't remember when. Last saw one of those. Always good to drive something a bit distinctive

I would call that fraud.

Well call them what ever you like, "a rose by any other name..." I would much rather have a top notch rep/fake/franken than a substandard genuine at two or more times the price. As for things like 6263 Paul Newman or 5517, I'll take a Phong any day over a genuine that would be worth so much I would be worried sick about it's safety and never take it out of the safe. Where is the fun in that?

TD is trusted dealer. Our list is here https://rwg.cc/forum/230-watches-clothing-parts-accessories/ There is also www.puretime03.com and intime01.co Unless you can independently verify customer reviews, it is safer to assume they are all written by the site owner. Yes it happens a lot.

What looks okay on your wrist is as much a matter of personal opinion as anything else. My wrist is 17cm or thereabouts and I wear Submariners more than anything else. I have a brother here who's wrists are if anything slimmer than mine and he wears Pams and Royal Oaks. Try a similar size watch on and see how you feel about it. As to online dealers who are not a TD on any of the forums, be very, very wary. Some will just take your money and send nothing, others show photographs of genuine watches and send a very poor copy, some claim Swiss made, which is without exception a lie, pure and simple. They also tend to charge much more than the normal price.

Hmm yes I forgot that was a WSO.

With all due respect I think you are being a little disingenuous in disregarding context. Fake is indeed used as a derogatory term by some who own the genuine. However there is nothing intrinsic in the definition of the word that makes it's use automatically derogatory. As to your second point, well if I say "a fake door" for example, you might very reasonably conclude it isn't a real door and does not function. However if I say a fake fur coat, would you hold it reasonable to believe it isn't a real coat and could not be worn? A fake watch may very well mean it doesn't function and is a paperweight. However in context it is a grouping of fake Rolex, fake Panerai, fake Omega et al. In context there is therefore no suggestion that the watch does not tick and the hands do not move, the implication is clearly that it is masquerading as being a brand it is not and in that context it is still fake whether it ticks or not. I am not suggesting we all call our watches as fake at every verse end. I do think that we should accept that the word is valid in describing them. While @panerai153 says, some will never have any time for us, I very much believe that in many cases, simply saying, yes it's a fake although I prefer the term replica and then going on to talk about the watch and the hobby will elicit a more favourable response than ranting on about how of course it's not fake, look the hands are moving. I quoted above the definition of the words fake and replica, which are much the same in all the standard dictionaries. So as a further point, strictly speaking there are no bad replicas, if it is seriously inaccurate, it is not a replica. Perhaps that alone is the best reason for giving preference to the term replicas.

Star time or WSO might be a good start

I was looking because I have it in mind to build a 16800 that has had a hard life. My fantasy back story is that it was found on the beach after many years, the case has a sort of worn and over polished look and the dial is damaged, maybe some or all of the lume has fallen out of the hands. I think it would be an interesting piece. I saw the dial and thought, "great, a franken build with a genuine dial". A hundred Bucks or maybe one fifty and that would have been mine. For the price he is after, I'll be using a Yuki dial and some creative mayhem. As to putting that in a genuine Rolex, well there was a reason it was taken out in the first place.

I have a very bad track record on that game Indy, so I'm saying nothing until the experts call it, then I will nod and agree and look terribly clever. I will say that I'm not very bothered, I'm happy to put good reps and gens side by side in my watchbox and treat them much the same. As to the other matter:

Okay, so I think we can all hazard a guess as to how this dial came to be separated from it's original watch. It seems to be a common theme with Rolex parts in particular that the contents of some retired watchmakers wastebin is offered for sale at more than the cost of parts in decent condition. Emperor's new clothes?

Funnily enough I was just looking today at a listing for an "amazing" 16800 dial. https://www.chrono-shop.net/en/dials/5772-rolex-vintage-amazing-glossy-tropical-spider-web-dial-16800-168000-16610-submariner-date-tritium-creamy-color-cal-3035.html?search_query=Dial+16800&results=4309 If amazing means fooked, then yes it is. $795

Amen to that brother?

I will accept that a Canal Street fake is possibly not a replica in that it is not "an exact or very close copy" However even with a genuine Rolex movement an MBK case is still "not genuine, imitation or counterfeit" I know you well enough to know you would never pass replica parts as genuine so I put it to you that at some level you accept they are "not genuine, imitation or counterfeit", which is the definition of fake. To an extent i am playing Devil's Advocate here. I am a Mod and therefore firmly entrenched in the rep world, but I do believe in accepting reality and any attempt to claim our watches are not fake involves unilaterally changing the definition of fake. There may be connotations of the word we dislike and it may be used disparagingly by those who are vitriolic in their hated of replica watches. Our watches are not genuine, we are all very clear on that, they are imitation in that they are specifically created as copies of high value watches. Counterfeit, well we all know what Customs' view of that is. By trying various devious ways to deny the fact that they are fake, we just make ourselves look insecure and rather laughable. I believe that generally we have a greater appreciation and understanding of horology than many of the collectors of genuine high end pieces who hate us. Many of us also own and love the genuine article and it is that love that fuels our passion for replicas. We have nothing to feel insecure about. Accept the fact that fake is an accurate description of them even if we prefer not to use the term.

Well I think it is bad news. TC appears to be taking a break right now. When and if he comes back is not currently known. You could try sending him a PM and waiting to see if you get a response, otherwise keep a close eye on members sales.

U.K. Ones seem to nearly all be green with the occasional blue one. I guess Americans were more adventurous than British farmers in the 60's ?

I sympathise greatly with the views that these watches function and are therefore real watches, that there are different qualities of replicas and that we are not in the hobby to defraud others. However the dictionary definition of the words still mean both replica and fake apply equally to our watches and it is a matter of personal view point as to which term one chooses to use. I will give another example of two totally correct views that seem opposed: since all elements save hydrogen, helium and deuterium are created by the death of a star, then everything that contains other elements, including humans are either made from stardust or are nuclear waste depending on how you choose to describe exactly the same thing. Again, one may sound romantic and the other disparaging and again both are totally factually correct.

100,000 miles before it's back to zero. How many times has it gone around Minty? I always thought the red was a repaint at some time, but it looks like the original paint on the dash. Was it something interesting like an airport fire truck once?

Very nice. Where did the galvanic dial come from?

What is the project you are working on? Please share some details

Square

200,000 on that engine is just nicely run in. Keep on top of the maintenance and you can drive it indefinitely. Mine is the 3.2 so it cooked the engine wiring. I've just finished a top end rebuild and new wiring. At Euro 2000 in parts it was more than the value of the car, but I don't care as I'm not selling.

I think it comes down to semantics and image. If you are an enthusiast and collector of the genuine pieces, then you will be more inclined to call our watches fakes. If you collect our kind of watches you will be more inclined to call them replicas. On both sides some of this is self justification. Looking at the dictionary meaning of the words: Replica - an exact copy or model of something Fake - not genuine, imitation or counterfeit Well if we are totally honest with ourselves, we all know both terms apply to our watches. Those with an interest in reps will tend to favour calling them replicas, while those who despise them will prefer to call them fakes. Actually I don't much care. I find this a fun hobby and while I accept there are likely some distasteful practices in the business of manufacturing and supplying them, I do not believe it is either unforgivable to buy them, nor that the business is much worse than many totally legitimate businesses. For a long time now if asked out of the blue about my watch by someone I don't know, which is very rare, my stock answer if someone says a "nice watch" is a simple thank you. If they ask anything more I am most likely to say "it's a fake mate" whether it is or not. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about my watch, they are for my pleasure and I certainly don't want mugging and loosing the watch and possibly my arm. Lighten up a little, be confident in yourself and your decisions and enjoy the hobby for what it is. Enjoy your fakes (and gens) brothers

Sorry to hear this. I hope you and the bike are okay.

Ciao e benvenuto