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Now if only the Real slim Puggy and his bucket would return... And VB. Her collection would cause Frogfoot's feeble brain to melt.

So are you British or Korean? I get confused looking at your nick... You wouldn't like me when I'm confused.

Dude. Almost all of those homage brands are "rep" watches... all it takes is a dial swap, a polish. That's why most of them started. You really are behind the curve, aren't you?

Nuqi's collection was well into high six figures ages ago... with inflation since, I am sure just one of his watches in particular could buy your McMansion with change left over.

You're the one using the value of a cheap watch to justify your existence, not us. Ever wonder what The Big Boys in your preferred sandbox, with their collections of $50,000+ watches, really think about you and your one used, cheap, tool watch?

Sorry son, but I for one, am glad you never were successful in breeding. You are the tike kicking sand on the beach of life. No one around here rationalizes that fake watches are better than real around here, it's simply you who can't be anything without a label. My daily beater is a $300, 7 year old Invicta. I don't own a single replica at the moment, and haven't for at least 6 years. I have owned plenty of unique vintage time pieces, most of which you'd never comprehend, all rather unique, and all rebuilt and serviced by me, before I started having health issues. No one thinks much of most "ugly," too small, old watches in the consumer society of which you need to prove your worth, they are generally dismissed with "if it's old, they must not be able to afford a new one." My 100 year old, original tropic cased Mimo fits that bill just perfectly. It's case construction is Rolex, the movement is Gerard Perregaux, and produced by Mimo, an international producer of watches in precious metals, which later bought GP outright. It's old, it's "ugly", it's rare as hen's teeth, and a twin cousin to the upstart RWCs first waterproof, tropic watch. 99.9% of people have never heard of Mimo, know the history, or will recognize that the small, ugly, old watch on my wrist is the great uncle (with the real money) of that bloated wanna be one of the big kids, entry level poseur watch on your wrist.

And is Parnis still the Canal St version of "private label?"

Mmmmm miracle grow.

As far as discussions over here go... I remember a time when an in depth discussion about certain topics over here would usually be rapidly followed by "authoritative" articles on the "bright side" on the very same models, or subjects with nearly similar talking points. I remember a couple such discussions in particular when the new models had been out for a little while with the 'new and improved', tacky as hell, engraved crystal f-l-a-n-g-e was the focus... The Gen guys were all about "why are the retarded fake guys making up words like réhaut? And around the same time where Zig was doing a service on a special, rare old milgauss, doing the slow reveal and 'does anyone know' trivia thing with the pics where he eventually concluded that I was the only one who had ever seen a vintage milgauss because of the details I knew (me having the advantage of actually owning one before) and it wasn't but a few weeks that focus shifted from the green crystal and engraving on the new version, to articles about the original with all the details (previously almost lost to history through obscurity) we had been playfully discussing over here. The noobs around here always remind me of the gen side, flash over substance, gotta have the latest, etc... Just without the cash of the gen side. It is easy to make a target of them, but their approach to watches is all about style just like the majority of the 'real' owners. The more that they stick around here, the more they seem to learn, and mature. It's always a shame when some can't seem to see past the veneer which is simply a reflection of the rest of the world at large. * why is flan-ge censored?

I don't know... Has the intelligence level raised to compare with the look at me level over there? I've been absent for over half a decade...

Most of the cost is in finishing and assembly these days. No more "year to build a watch" at the low end, where many operations have been replaced by automation. The "third shift" at Guangzhou has benefitted just as much as normal production in the last decade or so. Perhaps more. As the machines were definitely supplied by industry, even if the raw materials aren't completely.

Hmmmm...

Absolutely. The the difference between this side and that side often comes down to the need to be seen as conspicuously consuming over there, over here we do more preservation work than Rolex ever did themselves. Who is a big fan of Rolex service policy? Oh, we can't service that 6541 unless we replace that irreplaceable dial, hand set and bezel with something new that doesn't really look right and ruins the collector value of your 57 year old watch we don't make parts for anymore.

Heh... and the odd ones that show off their watchmaking abilities in the gen fora, well where do you think THEY come from? Except that "Gen" panaristi that "rebuilt" his "Pam" with a skeletonized Unitas that he "sawed, polished, assembled, and installed" himself with precious few shots of any work skeletonizing, finishing, and plating... and lots of shots casing the movement which amazingly looked exactly like the skeletonized Unitas for sale at the time in all kinds of 'reps.' Of course the paneristi ate it all up with a spoon.

And the eloquent, if slightly ambiguous, while always sensual, and totally unflappable Miss Understood appears as if by magic. Forgive my irascibility, me Ladyship. (Tugs forelock)

Ever wonder how Swiss rules allow for almost 100% of the parts to be manufactured in China, as long as the value of parts from Switzerland is higher? Who determines what the actual values are for that $280 base movement made in China that gets its balance and hairspring in Switzerland, then goes on to be "$5000 masterpiece" in a $10,000 watch? Or even a $500 movement in a $1500 watch? How about the amazing $50 movements in $150 watches? When the Chinese company that made the Swiss movement is selling finished movments out of China for the same price as the completed "Swiss" watch? And how can 600,000 watch parts all be counterfeit, if they haven't been assembled into watches with inappropriate marking yet? Especially when the patents covering the movements being copied ran out decades ago? How many of those boutique manufactures doing homage watches get their parts from the same stream as the rep makers? Heh. A lot of them are the same. Still having trouble quoting? Or are you just trying to hide links on the page to draw attention mischievously like a 5 year old whose been sat in the corner and isn't happy, but doesn't have a better way to express himself. You remain a worthless, flaccid [censored].

Been around lot longer than 7 years. And collected more Gen watches than I ever did reps. 7minutes should be more than adequate time to figure out how to use the quote function, thanks again for demonstrating that You are still a moron. Ever read the front page of THIS site?

Yes. So intelligent that you invent new ways to [censored] up quotes. So observant that the only thing you see are overpriced $800 reps that are crap, and crappier $200 reps what you will choose to "test drive" to decide if you like a gen. How about a look under the hood of your definitely not a base model 2006 Vette? Or a pic of you actually riding your Harley, not parked in 'your' garage? I love how you managed to use the same name on the gen forums AND a rep forum, and suppose that there are not other people that are on all the same, already talking about you. There is more horological knowledge concentrated around here than anywhere else on the planet outside of Switzerland and Lilitz. And the gen owner club members come here to learn what they don't know, if they are wise. But you'll never know who are seated highly in both worlds, who might be at Basel every year, which watchmakers that work in the industry build their own homage watches, and how many of those cottage homage companies (and bespoke strap makers) got started right in this neighborhood of RWG. I can't remember how many VIP subscriptions I paid for for promising noobs to help elevate them on their ways, I am saddened at the loss of members that have disappeared (like myself), and was humbled many years ago when the entire rep (and gen) forum community came together to support me when I had an incredible crisis. Donations came from all over the planet, even from under the ocean, and even from almost every Trusted Dealer throughout the forums. All these people which you call fake. You are a [censored] idiot.

Not even all the broken pieces are there..

The calendar versions are for "other" coveted pieces for a more mature audience. And some of those donors, well, let's hope someone wouldn't strip most of them to build a Rolex, especially a Heuer, JLC, Breit, Witt, or GP. Just to make bidding harder for myself... Dugena 4000 And Valjoux VZH The 726 is good to go. and the 727 is Rolex (72).

Since you obviously do not wish to invest any time in really knowing the hobby, or to get your hands dirty, it is probably best you don't continue your tenuous membership within the community to avoid having your true nature revealed. You've not evolved... and obviously know less every time you dip your toe.

The Steinhart ST 5 looks to be based on the 2824, but the "anthracite galvanized" finish is definitely unique, and was done by some other Swiss company, probably with Chinese manufacture and final assembly in Switzerland.

Been ages, but something like grep -n "100.43.000.000" * > file should get you close... Maybe -o "ip" * for the entire line, can't remember. I think -C 1 will get you the line plus the one before and after... (To possibly show the other IPs connected with each connection of your visitor)

They all, almost always, make specific changes to them that make them different. Not usually just a simple difference in decoration and finish.

UBI! Love the PPs.