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Also I think the tuiga has a solid case back instead of the see through sapphire, either way it's a beautiful watch!

Yes the black magic and ice bang are available a couple of dealers have them..Angus, josh, andrew..I ordered the ice bang light last week (from andrew) it should be here any day i'll post pics as soon as it arrives...heres a link to andrew's hublot section (it's not on his site) http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d166/tru...atchguy/Hublot/ pw:comein

don't you just love that lello wheel? I think the 2 looks awesome

The short answer to this question is yes...But like TTK mentioned it all depends on what kind of time frame you are planning on staying there..Is this a permanent relocation or do you just want to test the waters and see how it all works out..depends on how conservative with your spending..The annual per-capita income in Paris is around 25kEuros I believe, hope this helped

Not a problem, I think i'll be putting a black ceramic (polished) bezel on my Ice bang I think it will look killer, dont ya think?

Actually they switched , the first ice bangs produced had the tantalum bezel with smooth polished side After the 1 year halt in production they switched over to Tungsten which is whats used now and has a knurled finished side instead of smooth and polished...From what i've heard people had problems scratching up their tantalum bezels and the the tungsten bezels are more durable and scratchproof. The tantalum has a bit of a blue hue to it while the tungsten is purely gray..they also switched to the tungsten because it better matches the hands and the rest of the ice bang dial..so the ice bang lite isn't necessarily inaccurate as per the 1st gen ice bangs had the polished instead of knurled sides..The tantalum bezels can only be found on the Big Bang Mat series now..The rep is kind of a mixture, has the tungsten color with the tantalum's smooth finished sides..Either way i think the ice bang rep looks sick mine should be here sometime this week (from trusty) ill post pics

Nice shots, you live in paradise my friend...It's snowing hard down here in NY, 2 feet on the ground since yesterday. Yummm...I love poke, lomi, lau lau, mahi mahi mmmm.....

Have a happy, and healthy new year everyone!

following suite with my pure bread pit Cedes

I just got this thing as a present...Pretty nice actually - those little colored things are all different flavors...Brews 1 cup of espreso at at time, i'm not a big espresso drinker I enjoy my cofee tho ..Forgive me for being so brief but i'm in the middle of cooking a bunch of stuff for my new years party Heres it is on amazon http://www.amazon.com/Nespresso-Essenza-Si...o/dp/B000FCRLLE heres my regular coffee maker ive been quite pleased with it

dont mean to hijack your thread but i am very passionate about music and hi-fi equip, heres my setup It's setup in this room and sounds like your front row at a concert

WOW!!! for $203 i'll take 20 of them! And is that a 1680 for $195? What year is this from? And btw very nice watch and preamp!

Very interesting freddy! In a later post JM said that he would try and pull a few strings and find out if they(Rolex) will say whether or not those dials came out of their factory, or singers. I mean it would benefit everyone in the watch world, and the auctions houses in particular..They are losing huge amounts of money because these watches are so hard to authenticate..I agree with you, we'll probably never know for certain because Rolex is so private..Kind of mysterious in many ways, and just like the red daytona it adds to the coolness of the watch!!

I came across this interesting post by John Mayer regarding the controversial "mayer dial" vintage daytona, the 3 color dial termed "3CROC"..Here is his first post on VRF..For some reason its not letting me link to his post so I have to paste what he said, and his responses to others..Just so we know what watch he's referring to, heres a pic .In 1 of his last posts, he personally offers anyone who wants to sell their 3croc 75k!! In a recent transaction @ christie's a buyer paid something like 160k for one and days later backed out on the deal...One thing is for certain, he doesn't understand how things work in the rep world..I'm curious to hear what people here think about this issue? I agree with what he said, it doesn't matter if its real or fake because rolex says its real and thats all that really matters..Who really knows tho (lol i just noticed that this guy printed MAYER on the dial hahaha..i got the pic from www.nippledial.com ) Hi Guys... John Mayer here. Long time reader, first time poster. There are a few people on this board who can vouch for me... This ROC PN debate is something that I've been involved in for a few months now, and I want to share my thoughts with you. Forgive me for not putting it in the post that's already started but I don't want this conversation to die out. Let me first say that though we don't know FOR CERTAIN that these watches aren't counterfeit, I think I speak for everyone when I say I sure hope they're not. That would remove some really coveted pieces from the table. I want to discuss two things. The first is that these dials are probably not counterfeit, and second, it doesn't matter if they're not. I wish I could tell you why I think these dials are real, but only a dealer who held one of these watches in the '70s can say for sure. The rest of us CANNOT either. Now for the breakdown: **WHY THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT COUNTERFEIT** Ask yourself this - why do all 3-color PN dials ALWAYS sit on watches that ROCs are PERIOD CORRECT on? If someone were counterfeiting these in the late '80s/early '90s, when there wasn't nearly as much scrutiny by collectors, why weren't ROCs popping up on 6241s 6239s? Did everyone who caught a counterfeit dial share the same enthusiasm for the minutae of collecting watches? And if you were going to counterfeit a dial, making it look convincing enough to fool people for 20 years, wouldn't you clone a dial that you knew EXISTED? And wouldn't you keep making them? Why aren't non-PN 6263s magically turning into ROC panda dials? Why aren't these counterfeiters firing the machine back up? Did they get the dials perfect, make 300 and then shut the operation down? And in the case of the red Daytona, which Rolex CONFIRMS were made, have you seen any more watches floating out in the world than were reportedly made (? Can you say you can account for the wherabouts of 4 different red dials? of 3? You'd have seen more than 8 if these dials were being knocked off. You have to assume the mindset of how greed works to understand that it's just not present here. A word about the distinguishing characteristics of PN dials; identifying the traits that make the dial 100% authentic is not always a way of deeming the watch inauthentic if they're not present. This is a big problem lately, in my opinion. Also, NOBODY on this board or beyond can say with certainty what Rolex DID and DIDN'T do. You have to understand manufacturing to get a sense of just how mundane some of these changes were. If a dial manufacturer sent Rolex 4 different variants to choose from, and Rolex ordered 1000 units of one, they still had 3 other variants in their possession. It's completely within reason that they would have used these dials on the watches that were sent out. I know it doesn't completely apply here, but it's an example of how much more we as collectors attach value to everything Rolex did than Rolex themselves. **WHY IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE NOT AUTHENTIC** Because Rolex says they are. And so do all the world's most respected collectors. ROC dials are in every major book, have been sold in auction countless times, and have been known to have service papers with them. (This includes the red Daytona.) I have a service paper from Rolex that states that my red Daytona is authentic. What will it take to deem it inauthentic? The same thing it would take for a white or black 3-color. A letter from Rolex stating that they're not. If we're all going to think of service papers as added value because it proves authenticity, then we have to be consistent with that. Otherwise the marketplace should not add a premium for them, and buyers shouldn't believe them. The same goes for Antiquorum. If you're going to believe that Antiquorum can sell 2 dozen of the same counterfeit watch, then that renders the auction house invalid and you can no longer charge more for a watch that "went at auction for" a high dollar amount. I'd say to you "yah, but they also sold 3-color ROC dials, so you can't go by that at all." Same goes for "the book", whether by Patrizzi or Mondani. No more being able to say that something's featured in a book. Because now the service the book was providing - provenance and value- is null and void. ___ Do the 3-Color and gold ROC dials really exist? Yes. I own several. I've seen them with my own eyes and I count 3 colors. Are they authenticated by Rolex? They have been. That makes them up to the high standards we all respect and admire about the company when it comes time to sell a piece with a service paper. Okay. Let's review: they exist and Rolex has serviced (authenticated) and released them from the Rolex building - meeting Rolex's immeasuarably high quality control standards, as the company has extolled for so many years. Is the dial, on a molecular level, one that was manufactured in 1967? Will we ever know? Does it really matter? First, regarding Antiquorum, I have to say that they've always been completely faithful to authenticity in my dealings with them. In fact, I know the Explorer dial Sub because I was the high bidder in the Spring auction. Evan was incredibly forthright in cancelling the sale due to the watch being so difficult to authenticate. (He initiated the cancellation.) Just a bit of my experience with the auction house. I know that 6239s and 6241s are pump pushers. (so are 6238, 6262 and 6264s. Just showing off.) The point was that one of the many counterfeit buyers with less expertise could have made the switch. Your post is interesting because it assumes that there was one dealer/collector who outfitted dozens (if not hundreds) of these dials himself, which seems even less plausible to me. But again, who knows. Pragmatically, though, if anyone would like to sell their "fake" 3-color or gold ROC PN, I will pay you 55k/75k respectively. That's a screaming deal for a counterfeit dial!!! (I happen to know that some of the very dealers who question these dials are also happily selling them at a premium. Go figure...) I will agree that the red Daytona debate is a different one. My service papers indicate that the dial is red. I happen to know people who can substantiate red Daytona myth, but I don't want to print information that doesn't belong to me directly. I can tell you for sure that Rolex has confirmed that red dials left the building. As for whether mine is one of them, I can't say with cosmic certainty. I do think a red Daytona is more of a dicey situation, being that the watches were not born on the dials. They each appeared on a different reference number Daytona, which is interesting in and of itself. The red Daytona is coveted because it is mysterious. I own one and I won't sell it because the story isn't finished being told on it. I will say without sounding like I'm gloating, that you have to see a red Daytona up close to really see the "complexion" of the dial. It has the EXACT same "skin" as a white/black PN. The coronet is the same. The printing is the same. Everything. You don't get the "fishy" feeling you get when you see something questionable. And I can tell you something you probably didn't know before: a red Daytona does NOT have a step-down minute track. That's of great importance, because it either goes hand-in-hand with debunking the idea they're counterfeit or reinforcing it. Guess which way I lean? Here's something that brings the VRF at large into this discussion; one thing that this ongoing debate will do is raise the value of non PN dials. Collectors will gravitate to them because they're free of controversy. Non-PN dials will climb significantly in the next year and close the gap between the two configurations. In my book, if you own a black dial 6263, you're sitting on one of the safest investments in the Rolex world. Now I have to go out and hit on guys' girlfriends, or whatever it is you think I'm doing. I'm certainly not sitting at home with a loupe shooting out Maxi dials. I would never do something like that. Ever. Some additional thoughts to try and keep the discussion in perspective: Dealers aren't trying to make money by saying these dials aren't right; that's not the bottom line here. I believe it all stems from a passion and a need to keep history feeling like a current event. We all have to admit that it's incredibly exciting to feel like there's still some room to affect change within that which is inherently unchangeable. How unexciting it would be to see these watches as mere relics... That's why we keep the debate open on maxi dials, meters first, Mark XVII DRSDs, etc. It keeps us engaged as enthusiasts. I think that's something to be embraced. Otherwise we're all just matter-a-factly holding onto cold pieces of steel that dead guys wore. (In the case of Kamal, whom I have not met, it's interesting that he's now very well known for disputing these dials. It's 2007, some 40 years after the manufacture of these watches, and there is a new name in the (recent) Rolex annals.) Let's narrow this down. Will Rolex ever release a statement saying that these dials are not of Rolex manufacture? I think we all know the answer to that. Nnnope. -SO- That leaves what amounts to unsubstantiated claims, which if uncontested, could amount to very much the same thing as a letter from Rolex. -SO- If that's the case, and these dials are looked upon informally as not of Rolex manufacture, what then? What's the selling price for these now-famed MAYER DIAL configurations? (just kidding, I think.) Are they worth nothing? Can anyone who owns one sell them in good faith? Does it stop a PN ROC 6263 in 18kt from being one of the NICEST looking Rolexes around? I love them. If Rolex didn't make them, someone else made them better. Have you ever seen a PN-ROC gold dial that had snow white numbers in the subdials? It's stunning. -SO THEN- Anyone with the expertise to put the SINGER stamp under an electron microscope should have to expertise to appraise the value of these watches. If it's not worth what I think it is, what is it worth? If you're going to be bold enough to apply an acumen that should be looked upon as changing the market, then don't stop there; tell us in your estimation what the new value is. And again, anyone who wants to sell me one of these watches can get these fake pieces off their hands and make a killing on it. 55k for steel, 75k for gold. I will even accept a letter from you as a dealer releasing you from any liability in having sold me a counterfeit dial. I will be buying these as counterfeits. I'll be waiting to hear from you.

I've had this cheap ebay winder that I got for $40 bucks about 6 months back..Still works perfectly and runs very silent, it switches directions automatically...We'll see how it holds up, so far so good. Cant really go wrong for $40 ya know?

Just got my HBB PVD lite from silix, came in 5 days...I'm going to get the polished ceramic bezel from angus and most likely double AR from k2222 and this thing will be a breadwinner! Had a problem with the clasp digging into my wrist so I took one of those little dots of felt that are used for putting under furniture, cut it to the size of the bottom of the clasp and it fixed the problem...It works perfect because it has a strong adhesive on 1 side and a tiny pad on the other, I will probably get 1 of those dr. sholls pads and replace the felt but its fine for now...Anyways, here are some pics Thanks for looking!

Very nice mate! Enjoy that beauty!! These ultimate BCE's are one of the most accurate reps around, the only mod that it could use is a lello datewheel which makes a world of a difference, just upgraded mine http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=64908

Hmmm....An MBW GMT II w/ a proper ceramic bezel would be lovely...I'll keep dreaming

got my BCE back loving the lello wheel

Heres my white BCE v1 w/ best version dial...Just upgraded to silver hands (THANKS LANAKAI!!!!! ) and a lello breitling DW. Big thanks to Marrickvilleboy for doing the swap for me he did a great job, my SMP chrono is getting a ETA dw and will be home soon...The hands still look black at different angles but i assure you they are silver..Here are some pics showing different dates on the new DW, as you can see lello's wheel is GREAT..Since this is a v1 it only has single AR so next mod im sending it off for a chieftang double AR run.. enjoy! Before: After: Nice insignia on the rotor on the v1 version of the BCE

Very nice tribal! Enjoy that beauty..Did you have to drill a tap to fit the gen tube and crown?

I just got this ETA dw for my Omega SMP chrono..I think this is the only mod that this watch could use, other than that its perfect. The font on the new DW looks exactly like the gen I believe..Sending it out to marrickvilleboy on monday - He just did my BCE and put silver hands and a lello dw - it's sitting at the post office i'm picking it up early next week, i'll post pics of that too. But for the meantime

Been awhile since I participated in a wrist check, been super busy - Wearing my SSD

Just sent out my 1st gen white dial BCE to marrickvilleboy for a lello wheel swap and a set of silver hands thanks to lanakai! Will post pics when I get it back next week, cant freakin' wait!