sssurfer

T.R.H.P.S.! Great!

Too bad I just came in knowledge of it via the Fame movie in the old 70's, when you still were in God's mind, V...

Just, were the Italian subs pointing to anyone in particular? A little revenge about some remotes? Or am I just unbearably self-oriented?

SLURRRPP!!!

005 is a gen for sure. Correct A, correct shape logo, correct sub second hand, correct CG & crown.

Considering your top knowledge of PAM models I rely on your expertize. Also, the correct "A"s already made me a little dubious about the 005.

But then please tell us something about the 'L SWISS MADE L' text, as this is a scan of a 005 pic from an official OP catalogue:

I read with the highest interest your post about the long arrow 005, but the 'L SWISS L' vs 'L SWISS MADE L' issue on the 005 is still unresolved to me.

Thanks!

Absolutely fascinating interview, thanks for sharing, Vicky!

Just some quick consideration:

1 - Has not a ceramic PAM already been released in 2007 models, i.e. the PAM 292, Radiomir Black Seal Ceramic?

2 - Mistifying to read that Angelo Bonati now tells their PVD cases 'fragile' and prone to get scratched, while when they originally released them they advertised them as more scratch-resistant than steel.

3 - I heard that ceramic is higly resistant vs scratches, but also very fragile vs crashes, you may get it broken by simply letting the watch fall off your hand. Something like sapphire-vs-glass (sapphire more scrach-resistant, but less crash-resistant). Anyone got any info about it?

Thanks for your help ssurfer, may I ask were you sourced your 090, does it have Saphire?

You are welcome.

I seem to remember that I got my 090 from TTK (I can't verify it as it happened during the lost months in RWG I).

Unfortunately no, it does not have sapphire.

Just sent you a PM about the 090 datewheel.

Why is it that the most time spent achieving/receiving something, means almost instant boredom immediately afterwards?

It's a human curiosity.

Surely making no sin of excessive originality, I suppose it has something to do with the human curiosity and compulsion to explore. Once and as soon as a territory is explored and known, we seem irresistibly attracted by whatever is beyond...

I wonder how many of us influence each other, in various ways here? If only we would say!

Exactly my thoughts when I was typing the whole story.

It's a pity that a forum, even if a great thing, cuts out 90% of possible interactions.

Fortunately it looks as the two of us are doing their best to put limits under pressure.

Sssurfer, may I confess to you and others now that I had no idea one had to glue a cyclops to the crystal? I simply thought they came 'cured' that way, in the firing of the glass process.

Anyway, you are even correct on some sapphire crystals (as I learnt at my own expense when I tried to remove the cyclops ).

Amazing time spent on a project. You have endless patience, my dear Sssurfer.

I have to admit that the rep thing tought me patience much more than the zen thing, as you call it

I don't have what it takes to be a self-modder

Good. A modder woman would look a bit gay.

I will look up this cousinsuk person

www.cousinsuk.com

But essentially useless to non-modders.

P.S.: If only you knew how scared I was of grasshoppers growing up, given your profession, you would be proud of me for taking that close-up.

I have to say that that issue hit my mind while looking at the pic. Congrats!

What about a praying mantis?

Thanks for your interest, appreciation and encouragement, Vicky. And for another thing too. Actually, even if you did not know, you played a crucial role in the development of this project.

After about a year since May 2006 when the 1st version was ready, I was feeling a little bored with it. The mini fiddy option had not yet come to my mind. I have even been on the edge to sell the watch.

Then your unfortunate experience with the miny fiddy brought my attention to that watch. I began thinking that a mini fiddy look might complement the watch nicely. Just, considering your experience, I was not willing to waste my money on a mini fiddy before having any clue about how the final look with a domed crystal might be.

So I decided to preliminarly have a test on how much a domed crystal would add to the watch look.

It took some time to find a source for a domed crystal fitting a 44mm case (cousinsuk), a little more time (three orders) to find which diameter was correct (36.2mm), a little more time to select a correct cyclops, and some more time again, and three crystals wasted, to learn about the differences between plexi and glass/sapphire in glueing the cyclops.

In the end, almost a year and half after the 1st version, the 2nd version is ready and the result is encouraging, I feel.

So the project is alive and running again.

Thanks to you, Vicky!

P.S.: that minifiddy / grasshopper combo is exceptional. It makes me wonder if I could use a grosshopper too on this project...

Referrals to licensed therapists are not necessary or welcome. I am at the first step....I know I have a problem....

Yes, you actually have a problem and it would need a therapist's help... But it is that intention of yours to get rid of almost all your PAMs!!!

Anyway, Bea Flora is gorgeous.

I have always been in love with PAMs with 1950 case (especially for the domed crystal) and gold hands, but I always wanted a seconds hand and date too, and I prefer 44mm models.

So at first I put gold hands on a 144, I already posted it here.

A decent start, still I wanted something more.

Now I took another step forward, by adding a domed crystal and a nice and very comfortable strap (kind courtesy of dadog13 -- thanks, Vlad!).

Here is the result.

Front view:

A little right and left view, to better show the domed crystal:

A shot pointed at the date window. It came out a little out of focus, apologies, still it is good enough to show that the date font is crappy (to be fixed soon, thanks to archibald!), but the date readability is decent:

Unavoidable wristshot:

And, last but not least, a shot of the strap by dadog13. I am very happy with it and I especially love the one-hole-only thing, that makes me feel the strap exclusively of mine:

In the end, I love this project at the point that I am now even considering to get a mini fiddy just to take its case, crystal (current crystal is plexi) and hands. I would put in the movement, dial and cyclops. What would you think?

Thanks for looking,

:sss:

Daylight.

Or 62, 72, 105, 121, 122, if you manage to find them repped.

There is also a 2007 model already repped, but it is very incorrect. 47mm.

would say 2 reps.

Agree.

You are always welcome, rr.

Also, I'm wondering whether a DSN Crystal would fit the 027 case, or even the original 090 case?

Just ask Davidsen for the diameter of his crystal.

But most PAMs have a 35.5mm diameter crystal, while capt_cope's 090 is almost 36mm, my 090 is less than 35mm, and my 027 is less than 35mm too.

0.1-0.2mm tolerances may be acceptable thanks to the teflon gasket on which the crystal sits, but 0.3+mm are too much.

On this Crystal I plan to instal a Chieftang Cyclops.

Be warned that a Chieftang cyclops might result a little overpowered on a 090, given the additional small lens on the ST-2530 date window.

The main problem with the 090's date is not magnification, it is its datewheel bad font.

Member Lello is considering to make improved datewheels for this movement. If he gets interest enough he might go on with this project. But so far he got too few subscriptions.

Btw, if you are paulw also on RWI, your interest has been booked already.

Does anyone who owns a 27 from sillix happen to know if the cg holes are the same as other pams? Is there a "general" size for that?

Unfortunately, there is no general size for that.

The CG holes in the Silix' 027 are of the small type: thin screws, and short distance between them (13.5mm).

But why are you interested in them? Do you plan to transplant your 090's CG on the Silix's case?

Great results and great review! Thanks!

(Btw, I mistakenly rated it 'good idea'. I actually wanted to give it 'gold star'. My apologies. )

Anyway, V., you are the only woman I would not use those controls on (especially the 'mute' button)

Just one more thing

sssurfer, Do you recommend the PAM 027 aka Silix 056 -to which you linked- over the Silix 057 (the other $80 PAM ion that site) just because you liked it more or is there something terribly wrong with the Silix 057?

How smooth does the sweep look with that big center seconds hand?

Won't the sub seconds 057 be 'truer' on the wrist?

Why is the water so hard in my neighborhood?

Why do taxes keep increasing at the state level?

When will I stop asking question and just buy the darned thing?

Those actually are 6 more things, but as you got replies from vbarret too then I am in good mood and I will do my best to address your questions.

Do you recommend the PAM 027 aka Silix 056 -to which you linked- over the Silix 057 (the other $80 PAM ion that site) just because you liked it more or is there something terribly wrong with the Silix 057?

???

My link was to Silix' PANS057. Wasn't it?

Silix' PANS056 is a rep of PAM 090. It is a great watch too, its movement is even better than the 027. Silix just placed it at 80 USD so recently that I missed it. Both PANS056 and PANS057 are great choices, pick the one that you like most.

Just be warned that the 090 has a better cyclops (so it just needs datewheel replacing, no cyclops replacing), but the gen 090 is AR coated while the 090 is not. The gen 027 is not AR coated exatly like the rep 027.

How smooth does the sweep look with that big center seconds hand?

Good question for a newbie, you will became an asset to the forum IMO.

To answer your question, the Asian 21J center seconds hand sweeps in a quite decently smooth fashion. Not at the level of a 2892-A2, obviously, but there is a 570 USD difference in the end. An RWGer, and 90% of Paneristi, would tell it instantaneously anyway.

Won't the sub seconds 057 be 'truer' on the wrist?

Sorry unable to understand. Please elaborate.

Why is the water so hard in my neighborhood?

More data needed. From what height did you try to plunge in it? What race are you? What job is yours?

Why do taxes keep increasing at the state level?

Because useful vs unuseful population ratio keeps lowering. It is a well know issue about the western emisphere, and it makes for one of the main reasons for the eastern emisphere rising. In a global village like the current world, at least.

When will I stop asking question and just buy the darned thing?

Most likely, when we (I) will stop giving you silly answers.

35.9918 mm.

Argh. Your 090 looks quite different from mine.

Ok, as far as I know the case of Silix' 027 is the only case without a quick date pusher that is able to accept a caseback as large as the 090's.

So your best option is to get the Silix' 027 (80 USD), and replace its movement+dial and caseback with those from your 090.

Most likely you will also need to remove the 027 original cyclops and reposition it (or replace it with the cyclops from your 090) in the correct position for the 090 dial. This is as the 090's Seagull 2530 movement has its date window placed a little more outwards than the Asian 21J movement that comes in Silix' 027.

You might also need to file down the 090 dial a little in order to make it fit into the 027 case, but that is easier than filing or dremeling anything else.

Warning: I can't be sure that Silix' 027 case is better than your 090 case. But you will surely get rid of the quick date pusher that way.

When given a choice, he said many men prefer condoms smaller than the standard minimum 6.3 inches long, with more than half ordering those less than 5.12 inches.

[edit vbarrett: ]

Don't measure them on your bf, V. After all, he has some Italian DNA inside him.

Condoms of the standard length and width must hold at least 4.76 gallons of air

If you use a black light the type they use on dancing rooms I suppose you get the best effect.

I tried with an UV lamp emitting in the far UV spectrum (that lamp that looks purple and barely emitting any real light) and, besides it is dangerous, its emission in the purple visible spectrum was sufficient to definitely alter the color of the dial, case, hands, everything. Not good for taking pics.

everything is possible it's just depends on price, now i got to check specific dimmensions of gen cyclops

Dimentions, as well as mag power i.e. focal lenght (FL), vary in the different models.

Diameter is between 6mm and 7mm -- 6mm for the earlier models (A-C series), 7mm for the most recent models (F- series and on).

Mag power is lower for the 2892-A2 models (that have an additional lens on the movement date window) and models with a higher rehaut. On those models you can get as high on FL as 11-12mm.

On the contrary, you need a higher mag power (shorter FL) on models with short rehaut and no attitional lens, e.g. the 029 and 063. On these models you will need to go as low on FL as 8-9mm.

You will find that getting a short FL is more difficult on 7mm diameter cyclops.

You will also find that higher magnification is very likely to give cushion distortion. In order to get rid of distortions while still retaining good magnification you will have to go to aspheric lenses, as chieftang already pointed out. And, more precisely, sapphire aspheric lenses (don't expect to get enough mag power with glass cyclops). Making aspheric sapphire will prove costly.

(You can use glass only if your cyclops is thin so to enhance its distance from the date window so to get higher magnification. Machine-made cyclopses can't go below 0.3mm of unuseful thickness, so you can use glass only if you thin it manually on post-production).

Like kruzer I am not trying to discourage you. But chieftang, archibald and I already got a long way on our attempts to provide enhanced cyclops and I am just trying to let you benefit from what we all already discovered.

The 'is that your hand?' line was supposed to be THE approach line...

LOL

But, in this case, please stay on queue.

Silix 027 WITHOUT a hint of PR or date looks good at around $80.

http://www.watchsilix.com/product.asp?id=1088

I am looking at the other two $80 oferings WITH PR (working?) Silix 056 and 057.

sssurfer (without a hint of gheyness) may I ask which Silix 027 are you looking at?

I was telling about the model on Silixprime, not that on Silixwatch (Silixprime is Silix's site for better reps, while Silixwatch is their site for cheaper reps).

Here is the link:

http://www.silix-prime.com/product.asp?id=1486

I am surprised that your crystal is larger than others. It should rather be smaller, i.e. 34.93mm diameter instead of 35.5mm. What diameter is yours, exactly? (further advice depending on the answer).

A member known as Navigater (from Belgium) is your best bet. He is an ace for lume jobs in the EU.

Good to know. Thanks, Vicky!

Thanks, Sssurfer! For both of us. I'll get one too.

You are always welcome, dear Vicky. I bet you won't get disappointed. If you, like me (mmmmh... if you like me... no, out of topic)... I meant, if you, like me, like to change your watch almost every day, you are going to find the PR reserve indicator as the most useful complication. You will always be aware when your watch needs a good winding.

sssurfer you have 2228 posts, those are the last 4 digits of my cell phone

Cool.

As we all are gay, I suppose this is a new approach technique?

vbarret ... is that your hand in yor avatar?, whats the watch?

'is that your hand in your avatar'?

'whats the watch'???